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A Kurdziel		#1 Posted : 11 August 2016 12:21:40(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		How many people are still doing regular PAT testing (i.e. annual) and how many have moved over to a risk assessment based system with the main reliance being on user checks rather then the man with trolley?
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gerrysharpe		#2 Posted : 11 August 2016 12:35:15(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		As we work mainly on construction sites, we need to do our pat testing every 3 months. So we got the site manger trained as a pat tester and bought the Seaward 250 handheld pat tester. They do all their own pat Testing on site now without having to worry about sends tools back or getting someone in to do the testing. The only things i get back from them is a printout of the pat test report and any broken or failed tools and leads. Works well for us
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PH2		#3 Posted : 11 August 2016 12:42:16(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Most of our office based clients go for every 3 - 4 years for computers, printers etc (with visual check annually) . Most of the construction based clients are opting for every 4 - 6 months for powered hand tools. Some clients in the media (especially for outside broadcasts) are using every 6 months. All Risk assessment based. PH2
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Safety Smurf		#4 Posted : 11 August 2016 13:51:42(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		We are still doing it annually but purely for administrative ease because we have nearly 500 sites in our estate.
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spenhse		#5 Posted : 11 August 2016 14:14:00(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Working in Construction Industry, we undertake Portable Appliance Testing (PAT) of electrical equipment on site and tag every three months. Operatives visually check tools on a daily basis, while they make a record on a weekly basis. Our administration offices undergo PAT every 12 months, of course any electrical equipment taken out of service and repaired will be re-tested.
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imponderabilius		#6 Posted : 11 August 2016 15:50:57(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		Annual PAT here by a contractor.
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jprictor		#7 Posted : 11 August 2016 20:47:37(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		I have instigated a risk based frequency: Construction equipment 3 months 110v (240v if ever allowed and assessed accordingly - weekly) Mobile items, items with water, or heat Yearly, laptop chargers, ext leads, kettles and alike Non mobile items 3 yearly (like photocopiers, PC desktops) Hard wired 5 yearly (OHP's, hand dryers, etc (Excluding workshop equipment (Drill, grinders etc - yearly))) Each item I had to assess and any that were not identified would be assessed at the time of test
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A Kurdziel		#8 Posted : 12 August 2016 09:03:55(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Thanks for the replys I just needed a feel for what people are doing as I am starting to push to a risk based system
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MadiB		#9 Posted : 12 August 2016 10:52:55(UTC)
Rank: Forum user		We also use a risk based approach, that said most of ours is low risk. We do however, insist on a monthly visual inspection by managers which if nothing else means that the equipment list is short!
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Andrew W Walker		#10 Posted : 12 August 2016 11:02:08(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		We use a risk based system. One of our site services guys does them. Its cheaper than a contractor and easier for us to manage what comes into the business. Andy
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HSSnail		#11 Posted : 12 August 2016 11:10:33(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Good to see that people are moving to a risk based approach - but clearly we are all supposed to be professional H&S people and understand this. Sadly I bet a lot of small business are still PAT annually because some guy down the pub has told them its the law. As an aside I'm interested to know how you PAT a Hard Wired item as stated by iprictor?
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jwk		#12 Posted : 12 August 2016 11:11:00(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		Hi Andy, I would by preference use a risk-based system, but am constantly bedevilled by geography (800 premises, mostly quite small) and organisational inertia. PAT is ill-thought out in the first place, and usually over-complicated in it's application John
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Andrew W Walker		#13 Posted : 12 August 2016 11:28:08(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user		jwk wrote: Hi Andy, I would by preference use a risk-based system, but am constantly bedevilled by geography (800 premises, mostly quite small) and organisational inertia. PAT is ill-thought out in the first place, and usually over-complicated in it's application John Hi John Ah, well. I only have 3 sites to contend with ;-) I can see your problem- trying to manage 800 sites on a risk based system would likely create more problems than it solves, and I am sure that you have bigger fish to fry. Andy
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