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walker  
#1 Posted : 22 August 2016 15:26:40(UTC)
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walker

Invictus  
#2 Posted : 22 August 2016 15:28:57(UTC)
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Invictus

DOH!
wjp62  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2016 15:32:38(UTC)
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wjp62

When will people learn.....
SP900308  
#4 Posted : 22 August 2016 15:36:25(UTC)
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SP900308

I trust she made a healthy donation to the cause!
gerrysharpe  
#5 Posted : 22 August 2016 19:50:30(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Bet she had a crush on the RNLI Skipper... She's going back next year to do the same!!!
PIKEMAN  
#6 Posted : 23 August 2016 10:36:54(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

The RNLI spokesperson said "The spring tides can catch people out, especially holidaymakers, who are unaware of the tidal cycles and speed that the tide can come in,". It seems incredible to me that people can be so stupid as to not understand tides or know of the existence of tide times and tide tables. As an angler I have so many times found people are astoundingly ignorant. So........"when is the best time to fish here then?" I say "2 hours before high tide until it starts to go back out". "What time is that then?". "Varies every day, look it up in the tide tables". "REALLY? DOES IT? WOW! SO WHAT IS THE BEST TIME THEN? ARGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 23 August 2016 11:03:05(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Sorry but I am finding some of these responses slightly smug and self-righteous. Yes, someone who lives by the sea and goes fishing regularly understands about tides. They’re also likely to understand the local conditions that mean a spring tide can in some places can come in faster than you can walk but a visitor who lives in a big city won’t know that so it is beholden on us better informed people to make sure people are informed of the risks and if necessary told what they can and cannot do. You cannot rely on mythical ‘common sense’: it does not exist.
walker  
#8 Posted : 23 August 2016 11:33:30(UTC)
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walker

A Kurdziel wrote:
Sorry but I am finding some of these responses slightly smug and self-righteous. Yes, someone who lives by the sea and goes fishing regularly understands about tides. They’re also likely to understand the local conditions that mean a spring tide can in some places can come in faster than you can walk but a visitor who lives in a big city won’t know that so it is beholden on us better informed people to make sure people are informed of the risks and if necessary told what they can and cannot do. You cannot rely on mythical ‘common sense’: it does not exist.
Did you read the link?
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 23 August 2016 11:47:29(UTC)
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firesafety101

Maybe she has a crush on the lifeboat men. It does happen, as as ex fireman I know it happened with us. Small fire, 999, same crew attend and get chatted up.
Invictus  
#10 Posted : 23 August 2016 11:50:44(UTC)
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Invictus

walker wrote:
A Kurdziel wrote:
Sorry but I am finding some of these responses slightly smug and self-righteous. Yes, someone who lives by the sea and goes fishing regularly understands about tides. They’re also likely to understand the local conditions that mean a spring tide can in some places can come in faster than you can walk but a visitor who lives in a big city won’t know that so it is beholden on us better informed people to make sure people are informed of the risks and if necessary told what they can and cannot do. You cannot rely on mythical ‘common sense’: it does not exist.
Did you read the link?
3 times in 4 days now that is taking it too far once yes, but come on that would be enough to make you think about the dangers, I don't live by the sea and wouldn't think must check the tides but I wouldn't put other peoples lives at risk another two times.
Graham Bullough  
#11 Posted : 23 August 2016 11:52:23(UTC)
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Graham Bullough

SP900308's posting at #4 prompts me to add that the RNLI (Royal National Lifeboat Institution) is a very worthy charitable organisation which receives no government funding and depends very largely on donations. Furthermore, as those who saw the recent TV programmes about the RNLI on BBC1 will have learned, the vast majority of its people are volunteers - the aquatic equivalent of members of civilian mountain rescue teams in the UK. At times their rescue work during adverse sea and weather conditions exposes them to considerable risk. One very notable example of this was the disaster in which the lifeboat and all 8 crew members from Penlee in Cornwall were lost while trying to rescue the crew of a stricken coaster during December 1981. At times those who lead RNLI's rescue missions have to make dynamic risk assessments using, among various aspects, their local knowledge and understanding of conditions to make difficult judgements about the balance between i) protecting themselves and their colleagues and ii) making successful rescues. Graham B
PIKEMAN  
#12 Posted : 23 August 2016 14:55:04(UTC)
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PIKEMAN

Any adult who does not know about tides is, by any stretch of the imagination, ignorant or worse. It has nothing to do with living by the sea. How many idiots does the RNLI rescue annually? Too many.
Hally  
#13 Posted : 23 August 2016 16:26:48(UTC)
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Hally

Invictus wrote:
walker wrote:
A Kurdziel wrote:
Sorry but I am finding some of these responses slightly smug and self-righteous. Yes, someone who lives by the sea and goes fishing regularly understands about tides. They’re also likely to understand the local conditions that mean a spring tide can in some places can come in faster than you can walk but a visitor who lives in a big city won’t know that so it is beholden on us better informed people to make sure people are informed of the risks and if necessary told what they can and cannot do. You cannot rely on mythical ‘common sense’: it does not exist.
Did you read the link?
3 times in 4 days now that is taking it too far once yes, but come on that would be enough to make you think about the dangers, I don't live by the sea and wouldn't think must check the tides but I wouldn't put other peoples lives at risk another two times.
Mersey is also tidal, hence the need for the ship canal to that place down the road...
Mr Insurance  
#14 Posted : 23 August 2016 16:41:36(UTC)
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Mr Insurance

pikeman wrote:
Any adult who does not know about tides is, by any stretch of the imagination, ignorant or worse. It has nothing to do with living by the sea. How many idiots does the RNLI rescue annually? Too many.
I like to think I'm fairly intelligent, and despite now living within a stones throw from the sea, and whilst I obviously know the tide goes in and out, I've never seen a tide table in my life. I don't believe I'm ignorant or worse, simply that in my life so far I've never had cause to read one.
A Kurdziel  
#15 Posted : 23 August 2016 16:48:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

pikeman wrote:
Any adult who does not know about tides is, by any stretch of the imagination, ignorant or worse. It has nothing to do with living by the sea. How many idiots does the RNLI rescue annually? Too many.
Actually there is a huge variation in tides around the world. The Baltic has hardly any appreciable tides: the water just slops about a bit. in some places the tides are massive and can be quick. This depends on things like slope of the beach , the direction it facing and wind direction. No, what I was concerned was about the overall mocking tone and I wondered if you applied the same language when giving inductions to staff in your own workplaces: "Well the hazards on a building site are obvious" and "Just apply your common sense and you'll be alright", "You should know about safe use of ladders anyway" etc. etc. Just a thought
walker  
#16 Posted : 23 August 2016 19:28:14(UTC)
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walker

Hally Mersey is also tidal, hence the need for the ship canal to that place down the road... [/quote wrote:
Ellesmere port?
walker  
#17 Posted : 23 August 2016 19:34:08(UTC)
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walker

Pikey, For what it's worth I thought you were bang on the nail I live as far from the sea as is possible in the uk but was familiar with tide tables by the age of 10 I would imagine
Steve e ashton  
#18 Posted : 23 August 2016 22:34:03(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

Someone who has holidayed on the black sea and at Sharm el Eheikh all their lives, and paddled in the rippling ocean... May never have seen a proper British wave! Clearly a victim of brexit and the falling pound?
Invictus  
#19 Posted : 24 August 2016 07:35:40(UTC)
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Invictus

I know the mersey is tidal but it is a river and I said I don't live by the sea.
SP900308  
#20 Posted : 24 August 2016 09:05:05(UTC)
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SP900308

Tides can come it at a surprising rate and speed which can catch people out. Particularly if you are unfamiliar with the local conditions and are distracted by 'enjoying yourself' on a beach, or fishing, rock-pooling, dog walking etc. Therefore I can see how some may fall foul in such an environment! However, three times in four days is IMO inexcusable...... unless there are clearly underlying reasons as to why the person couldn't fully comprehend the danger. Simon
Hally  
#21 Posted : 24 August 2016 09:34:03(UTC)
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Hally

walker wrote:
Hally Mersey is also tidal, hence the need for the ship canal to that place down the road... [/quote wrote:
Ellesmere port?
Runcorn...
Invictus  
#22 Posted : 24 August 2016 09:37:42(UTC)
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Invictus

I was thinking Garston, under the bridge.
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