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Eley37697  
#1 Posted : 19 August 2016 12:21:50(UTC)
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Eley37697

Hi Folks,

I'm after some advice.

Following an earlier post I have decided to update and ask for further help.

I have £2000 grant from the British Army to use before Sept 2019 for courses above level 3 (1st year degree level). I have currently a NEBOSH Cert (2009) and a BSc (Hons) Environmental Health and am currently an Environmental Health Officer in a City Council in the Midlands and an active committee member of my local Branch (in the melting pot to learn, support, add value and network).

My N.Cert is rusty since I do not practice directly in H & S but do RIDDOR accident investigations and review risk assessments for community events in the City but am still a little distanced from the language and practices routinely used in actual H & S workplaces.

I want to do a course that gives me the underlying H & S knowledge so I can refresh and poss look at further jobs in the future.

Current offerings are:
NEBOSH Diploma (very expensive) - Accredited to IOSH
NCRQ Diploma in Applied H & S (new qual) - Accredited to IOSH
NVQ Level 5 in H & S

I need to do a high level course as I have the BSc already and want to try? to make myself 'future proof' (if that's possible - would love to bottle that and sell it!).

Do any of these courses place you on the OHS Register?

I am wondering which one would be the best course to go for an also be one that recruiters/employees would favour or prefer. I don't want to waste the money, study time or lose out on future employable options.

I would really appreciate any advice since I want to make the best educated choice for my education and future prospects...

Whats the best me, please help me and post. All posts really appreciated!

Many thanks in advance,

Chris
gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 20 August 2016 10:12:35(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Chris,

Im doing my NCRQ level 6, finishing with the Diploma when its released at the end of September.

The First 2 modules will give you 2 x Level 6 Certificates and the Diploma Module at the end is also a level 6 The Qualification is marked on Assignments that you do on each module thus no expense for taking exams which are an extra cost with Nebosh. If you do all 3 modules and get your diploma with NCRQ you'll have 3 x Level 6 certificates

The Nebosh certificates are only at Level 3 and its only the Diploma thats Level 6

if you go down this route you don't need to do a level 5 NVQ

The NCRQ diploma is around £1000 and no extra for exams
walker  
#3 Posted : 22 August 2016 15:39:16(UTC)
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walker

The NVQ 5 will get you to the same point as the other two where IOSH is concerned.

So in that respect all 3 are "accredited"
piobaire  
#4 Posted : 26 August 2016 15:02:22(UTC)
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piobaire

If you are looking to do something for future jobs, decide what these furutre jobs might be and look in the job sections and find out what employer are looking for. Rightly or wrongly, for H&S jobs the majority of adverts are "NEBOSH Diploma (or equivalent)".

Hope this is useful.
piobaire  
#5 Posted : 26 August 2016 15:14:15(UTC)
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piobaire

I really should spell check before pressing the "Post" button but hopefully you got the gist of my previous post!
jodieclark1510  
#6 Posted : 26 August 2016 15:36:34(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

How do you feel about exams, evidence gathering or information finding?

All too often people don't pay enough attention to what suits them- if you are cool under pressure and exam situations, the Diploma might be a good route.

If you can gather plenty of evidence and physically prove what you do, NVQ may be better.

NCRQ is assignment based, so can you draw the right information to suit a scenario?

Qualifications are only part of the process of getting jobs/ moving forward so make it count in your favour- don't do one if it doesn't suit you because it "sounds or looks" better, do what is best for you and do your best at it. I did the Diploma because I am ok with exams and it reminded me of my time at university. It was expensive and took up two years of my life- but it suited me as an individual and I enjoyed it.

Whatever you choose I wish you the best of luck!
zohaibrauf  
#7 Posted : 27 August 2016 00:42:17(UTC)
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zohaibrauf

piobaire wrote:
If you are looking to do something for future jobs, decide what these furutre jobs might be and look in the job sections and find out what employer are looking for. Rightly or wrongly, for H&S jobs the majority of adverts are "NEBOSH Diploma (or equivalent)".

Hope this is useful.


Yes Nebosh Diploma is the only demand for the recruiters, Grad IOSH has other short cuts but they are not valuable at all.
imponderabilius  
#8 Posted : 29 August 2016 11:30:35(UTC)
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imponderabilius

zohaibrauf wrote:
piobaire wrote:
If you are looking to do something for future jobs, decide what these furutre jobs might be and look in the job sections and find out what employer are looking for. Rightly or wrongly, for H&S jobs the majority of adverts are "NEBOSH Diploma (or equivalent)".

Hope this is useful.


Yes Nebosh Diploma is the only demand for the recruiters, Grad IOSH has other short cuts but they are not valuable at all.


This is absolutely not true.
If you are GradIOSH, you can't take a "short cut" to get it - you only earn it through obtaining of IOSH accredited diploma.
When employers write "or equivalent", they mean the same level of knowledge. GradIOSH membership ensures that.
thanks 1 user thanked imponderabilius for this useful post.
gerrysharpe on 30/09/2016(UTC)
Eley37697  
#9 Posted : 30 August 2016 09:22:22(UTC)
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Eley37697

zohaibrauf wrote:
piobaire wrote:
If you are looking to do something for future jobs, decide what these furutre jobs might be and look in the job sections and find out what employer are looking for. Rightly or wrongly, for H&S jobs the majority of adverts are "NEBOSH Diploma (or equivalent)".

Hope this is useful.


Yes Nebosh Diploma is the only demand for the recruiters, Grad IOSH has other short cuts but they are not valuable at all.


I firmly disagree. Any demonstration of competency by education (especially supported by IOSH or other accreditation is worthy and so worth the effort. I agree with jodieclark1510 that it depend upon the 'sort' of route. I just was interested to know what others think, there are no quick options to gaining a Diploma in any case at all.

Thanks,

Chris
WatsonD  
#10 Posted : 30 August 2016 10:41:32(UTC)
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WatsonD

Just a note: The NVQ is an assessment of competence and only an option for those with experience to consolidate their experience with and appropriate qualification.

If you want training to help you with knowledge then (and it is only my opinion) the NEBOSH diploma is specifically geared towards this, but as has been said before you do have to factor in how you perform better and the NCRQ seems to offer another option with is (I believe) via encouraging research around subjects.
Simon Heesom  
#11 Posted : 31 August 2016 16:15:13(UTC)
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Simon Heesom

Personnaly I would do a H&S related Degree, I've been noticing a worrying trend recently in my industry. in that if you want to climb the management ladder a degree is the invogue accepted qualification. Us mere trogglodites like myself who did the humble NVQ (a choice I now regret) don't seem to be good enough to get into the Clique anymore.

but what ever you choose, good luck.

chris42  
#12 Posted : 31 August 2016 17:12:22(UTC)
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chris42

I thought from a different thread on this subject you started in April you had already made your mind up when you wrote :-

"How the industry consider the NCRQ Dip is something that will come but it all looks good for me and at £1000, 460hrs learning at my own pace is comparable to the NEBOSH Diploma and NEBOSH (although highly rated) need to change and adapt (re: Darwin) to the changes in H & S."

What has happened to make you question yourself, you seemed quite set to go back then ?

All the best whatever your choice

Chris

Eley37697  
#13 Posted : 01 September 2016 11:35:43(UTC)
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Eley37697

chris42 wrote:
I thought from a different thread on this subject you started in April you had already made your mind up when you wrote :-

"How the industry consider the NCRQ Dip is something that will come but it all looks good for me and at £1000, 460hrs learning at my own pace is comparable to the NEBOSH Diploma and NEBOSH (although highly rated) need to change and adapt (re: Darwin) to the changes in H & S."

What has happened to make you question yourself, you seemed quite set to go back then ?

All the best whatever your choice

Chris

Hi Chris 42,

The trouble is that the NCRQ seems ace but the British Army are not yet approving the course (as its so new) under the Enhanced Learning Credits (ELCAS) where I can use this pot of money. Some members suggested doing the NVQ5 and I still am considering the NEBOSH Diploma too. It is about the course but also what industry considers - I heard from a colleague in the construction industry yesterday that in a heated discussion some H & S called the NCRQ Diploma 'a backdoor diploma'. I know its a little 'sticks and stones' and I know its accredited but I need to do the best for me and what those 'in the job' recruiters/employers/employees consider as far as possible.

Likely still the NCRQ Diploma but will see once I've made a more informed decision... Cheers!


AhmedSoliman77  
#14 Posted : 01 September 2016 13:14:00(UTC)
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AhmedSoliman77

Same problem that I'm facing but I think the trend worldwide is for the NEBOSH Diploma
walker  
#15 Posted : 02 September 2016 07:46:38(UTC)
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walker

Simon Heesom wrote:
Personnaly I would do a H&S related Degree, I've been noticing a worrying trend recently in my industry. in that if you want to climb the management ladder a degree is the invogue accepted qualification. Us mere trogglodites like myself who did the humble NVQ (a choice I now regret) don't seem to be good enough to get into the Clique anymore.

but what ever you choose, good luck.



I can't understand why, surely these days everyone under the age of 40 has at least a "Desmond" and degrees are handed out like sweeties.
If collecting postnominals really is an issue where you work then the solution is clear: A Chartership trumps a mear degree every time, get one.




Simon Heesom  
#16 Posted : 05 September 2016 07:50:31(UTC)
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Simon Heesom

Hi Walker,

Without trying to deliberately hijack Eley37697's thread... in my situation its the credibility given to degree holders as apposed to other qualification holders that seems to matter. were not allowed to use post noms and as for being Chartered, after the job application stage their not even interested. Employers, who'd have em....

Mr.Flibble2.0  
#17 Posted : 05 September 2016 10:53:56(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

I only have the General and Construction Certs which I did in 2001. Never had any issues getting H&S jobs :)
gerrysharpe  
#18 Posted : 06 September 2016 12:53:21(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Eley37697 wrote:
chris42 wrote:
I heard from a colleague in the construction industry yesterday that in a heated discussion some H & S called the NCRQ Diploma 'a backdoor diploma'. I know its a little 'sticks and stones' and I know its accredited but I need to do the best for me and what those 'in the job' recruiters/employers/employees consider as far as possible.

Likely still the NCRQ Diploma but will see once I've made a more informed decision... Cheers!



How can the NCRQ be a backdoor Diploma, The 3 modules needed to get it are all at Level 6 unlike the Nebosh at level 3 for the general certificates. |The NCRQ has already enough reputation for employers to ask for this as an alternative to nesbosh and with the Diploma module due to come out this september i can see this as a popular alternative to Nebosh

The NCRQ route is ideal for people already working in H&S and the assignments are workplace scenarios which you would answer as if you where involved in them.
Clark34486  
#19 Posted : 06 September 2016 13:03:03(UTC)
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Clark34486

Still think; IOSH MS, NGC then NEBOSH Dip is a decent route... works in an incremental manner and gives a tiered approach to learning and the processes behind H&S (hierarchical if you will...)

I found the NGC rather taxing (at the time) as did I the NEBOSH Dip (at the time) but both complimented each other as the structure was similar only a greater degree of difficulty and learning required as I moved forward.

I don't know a great deal about the NVQ4/ 5 but I do know some who have gone down that route........

The route is so often dictated by the need to learn and earn which is totally understandable
stonecold  
#20 Posted : 07 September 2016 09:09:34(UTC)
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stonecold

Mr.Flibble2.0 wrote:
I only have the General and Construction Certs which I did in 2001. Never had any issues getting H&S jobs :)


I have 3 NEBOSH quals including the Diploma. Never looked back since, best thing I ever did. I would always reccomend the Dip if you are a safety proffesional.
Osprey7  
#21 Posted : 08 September 2016 11:08:16(UTC)
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Osprey7

Hi Chris,

I am ex forces and did the NEBOSH Cert journey on a few subjects before realising I required a higher level qualification to compete and get the type of jobs I wanted to do and capable of. To that end I completed a MSc in Safety, Health and Environment using my ELCAS. I'm now working in Saudi Arabia and I know I wouldn't have had a sniff at the job without a degree. Go big early,you know the score:)
You have a BSc so move on up to the next QCF level. Whatever you decide I am sure will be right for you - things to consider cost, time and learning style. All the best with your choice.
Gavin Gibson  
#22 Posted : 27 September 2016 11:28:32(UTC)
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Gavin Gibson

Firstly , whatever you choose has to be right for you - whether examined, assessed or evidenced. Secondly, you need to understand what you are potentially capable of.  For example, a Masters degree seems a long way off, but you start with the Post graduate certificate, which then becomes the PG Diploma and finally, with a dissertation, an MSc in Safety, or Risk, or whatever.

However you choose to proceed, remember that, even within the same type of course, different providers have different ways of teaching - whether distance learning (cheapest) to full time attendance.

Good luck

Gavin

chris42  
#23 Posted : 27 September 2016 17:26:05(UTC)
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chris42

Originally Posted by: gerrysharpe Go to Quoted Post
Eley37697 wrote:
chris42 wrote:
I heard from a colleague in the construction industry yesterday that in a heated discussion some H & S called the NCRQ Diploma 'a backdoor diploma'. I know its a little 'sticks and stones' and I know its accredited but I need to do the best for me and what those 'in the job' recruiters/employers/employees consider as far as possible.

Likely still the NCRQ Diploma but will see once I've made a more informed decision... Cheers!



How can the NCRQ be a backdoor Diploma, The 3 modules needed to get it are all at Level 6 unlike the Nebosh at level 3 for the general certificates. |The NCRQ has already enough reputation for employers to ask for this as an alternative to nesbosh and with the Diploma module due to come out this september i can see this as a popular alternative to Nebosh

The NCRQ route is ideal for people already working in H&S and the assignments are workplace scenarios which you would answer as if you where involved in them.

Chris42 (me), didn't write any such thing.

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