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morris69  
#1 Posted : 31 August 2016 16:23:57(UTC)
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morris69

We have an abundance of full length glass wall panels and doors in our offices, but we've had a few recently smash. Some as a direct result of an impact from a trolley or office chair, but some have smashed overnight - the result of the investigation was that the glass panel had received an impact days, maybe weeks previously, but it had "carried" that fault for a period of time and then smashed with no warning. My questions are - has anyone had experience of this phenomena? Our independent experts says it's a fairly common occurrence, but if so I just wanted to check how others are managing the risk in their offices?
PH2  
#2 Posted : 31 August 2016 16:55:55(UTC)
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PH2

Spontaneous glass shattering suggests that "ordinary" glass has been used. It is NOT common for properly designed and specified toughened glass, used in structural walls , partitions or doors and correctly bedded in specialist rubber gaskets, to shatter, even when struck by a trolley or office chair. It sounds like poor specification on someone's part.
SW  
#3 Posted : 31 August 2016 18:40:55(UTC)
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SW

Toughened glass can shatter "on its own accord" and without obvious damage through inclusions of nickel sulphide although this is fairly rare. But it can occur where the glass has not been Heat Soaked. Surface damage can also cause the glass to spontaneously break as can poor edge work during the Toughening process and poor glazing. Many years ago a colleague used to score the edge of Toughened glass, set it down next to a new starter and watch it explode at a later time without being touched. Can't do that now because of those meddling H&S people!
pete48  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2016 20:41:14(UTC)
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pete48

Can you clarify what sort of glass we are talking about here and/or how the panels actually failed; 'smashed' is not a helpful description.
chas  
#5 Posted : 01 September 2016 10:04:43(UTC)
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chas

We had an instance where nickel sulphide was suspected as being the cause of a large pane of glass shattering. I have also had a car sun roof shatter for no apparent reason. In terms of managing the risk in offices I don't think there is an easy way to tell which pane of glass is at any greater risk of shattering than any other, you just have to manage the replacement and clean up operation. See if you can get hold of a copy of 'A review of nickel sulphide inclusion in tempered glass' by Dr Leon Jacob for some background info. It may on the internet, I'm not sure.
morris69  
#6 Posted : 01 September 2016 12:22:44(UTC)
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morris69

Thanks for the replies. The glass is 12mm toughened glass, specifically designed for glass walls and doors, and complies with BS6262, dimensions of 3m tall by 1m wide. The independent reports did state that minor inclusions could be present, however the most likely cause is being struck on the edge of the panel by an external object (office chair or trolley). Some of the panels stayed in place so we could photograph them and after analysis is was relatively clear that the pattern of the shatter emanated from one single point, at exactly the same height as the arm rests from the meeting room chairs. "Smash" should be read as shatter into small pieces, as per the design characteristics of this sort of glass. We are confident that we know what caused these panel to shatter/smash, however I wasn't aware until recently that these panels could suffer some impact damage, usually on the edges, and then shatter at some later date, days or weeks later. We have included a weekly check of the glass panels (especially the edges) as part of the weekly building check. I'm reluctant to have "bumpers" around the panels to prevent inadvertent collisions with trolleys etc. We've also been advised that it's not wise to have window film placed on the glass as if one were to shatter then the whole panel could pose a greater risk of falling as one piece rather than in small particle sized pieces. I'm also confident that we are managing the risk to a reasonable level - I just wanted to check with others how they manage the risk, although I suspect it may be as "Chas" states, we tolerate the risk and simply manage the replacement and clean up operation....(thanks for the reference to the document - I'll search that this afternoon)
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