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wjstephens  
#1 Posted : 30 August 2016 17:06:50(UTC)
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wjstephens

I am looking to purchase some good reference books for case law etc. and wondered what people out there would recommend, obviously the more up to date the better. Health and Safety Law and Practice 4th Edition is expensive at £130 but is it worth it? Many thanks in anticipation of your responses!
PH2  
#2 Posted : 30 August 2016 17:27:19(UTC)
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PH2

My preferred hardback for Health and Safety is "Safety at Work" (Ridley). It is expensive (last time I bought one it was about £100), but I think that it is the best reference book available (been using these in various edition for about 30 years): it is very comprehensive and includes dozens of case references. PH2
peter gotch  
#3 Posted : 30 August 2016 17:37:38(UTC)
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peter gotch

WJ I assume that what HSE give their Inspectors is still Redgrave's Health and Safety, though I should not be surprised if it is no longer on personal issue to every Inspector. I've got the Seventh Edition (2010) which was substantially more expensive than the publication you refer you. It's still over 2000pp but the pages are much larger than those in my 1976 Redgrave's Health and Safety in Factories (still so titled despite being published after HSWA came into force). Worse the text on case law is in smaller font than in the 1976 edition, and not as easy to find. So more often than not I'm looking for the case law on what constituted a "building operation" whose definition was transposed into part of the definition of "construction work" in CDM, so it's back to pages 505-506 of my 1976 Redgrave, as recently as yesterday. To some extent depends on whether you want case law on criminal law, civil law (tort or delict) or both. When I left HSE they only wanted three things back. 1. My warrants 2. My BS5304 of machinery guarding 3. Redgrave, but the 1976 edition had been superseded so the 1976 copy was good to go.
wjstephens  
#4 Posted : 31 August 2016 10:21:58(UTC)
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wjstephens

Many thanks for those responses, food for thought, I'm also now looking at Tolley's which I can get for £80 and is the 2016 edition, anyone have any experience of using this? I can't access it on line as there is no preview.
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 01 September 2016 10:24:01(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Redgrave's is in addition due to its density, the perfect volume when you need to throw the book at someone. Sorry went all Friday there
chris42  
#6 Posted : 01 September 2016 11:07:14(UTC)
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chris42

redgrave's seem to now be in 8th edition (2013) at £144 second hand, then a second update in 2014 for £93. But still a bit behind current times isn't it ?
WatsonD  
#7 Posted : 01 September 2016 11:28:44(UTC)
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WatsonD

Can I suggest you save yourself some money (or go out for a nice meal instead) and just use the internet? This is a good start: http://www.hse.gov.uk/resources/casestudies.htm
RayRapp  
#8 Posted : 01 September 2016 11:47:31(UTC)
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RayRapp

WatsonD wrote:
Can I suggest you save yourself some money (or go out for a nice meal instead) and just use the internet? This is a good start: http://www.hse.gov.uk/resources/casestudies.htm
Agree. There are also dedicated websites some of these you have to pay a subscription, others are free, such as BAILII, which is difficult to navigate but FREE! http://www.bailii.org/ Also check out https://www.accesstolaw.com/uk/case-law/
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 02 September 2016 13:43:38(UTC)
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peter gotch

Chris Things don't change that fast, so it will be a while yet before I invest in a new Redgrave. In the meantime just about every that's newish is freely available on the internet, so that e.g. L153 is constantly on my desk as is the ACOP that supported CDM 2007 and the Non-binding guide to good practice for understanding and implementing Directive 92/57/EEC Given that the case law that I quote more often than any other dates back to 1965......
A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 02 September 2016 14:24:14(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As well as Redgrave’s I have also got myself some general law books including one of tort law and a basic English law ‘A’ Level text book ( got it for my evening classes). Both were really useful as I came to the conclusion that the law part of my Diploma was a bit rubbish (when compared to real law as taught by lawyers). How statutory interpretation works and what the tort of negligence really means are two of the things I found out from these books.
davidhwatkins  
#11 Posted : 02 September 2016 16:24:49(UTC)
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davidhwatkins

My first degree is in Law so I feel quite well placed to give you this advice. I would not waste my money buying any health and safety law text books. You can get the same information online free. I would however recommend buying a basic Tort textbook (you wont need a current edition so look 2nd hand) which will help you with some interesting cases and an English Legal System text book (again 2nd hand) which can give you a good understanding of the legal system and how legislation, regulations, ACOPS, case law etc fit into what we do.
A Kurdziel  
#12 Posted : 02 September 2016 16:31:31(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

davidhwatkins wrote:
My first degree is in Law so I feel quite well placed to give you this advice. I would not waste my money buying any health and safety law text books. You can get the same information online free. I would however recommend buying a basic Tort textbook (you wont need a current edition so look 2nd hand) which will help you with some interesting cases and an English Legal System text book (again 2nd hand) which can give you a good understanding of the legal system and how legislation, regulations, ACOPS, case law etc fit into what we do.
My word a lawyer agreeing with me and giving out free advice...it must be Friday
wjstephens  
#13 Posted : 06 September 2016 11:08:26(UTC)
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wjstephens

I'm really grateful for all the responses, I've gone from buying an expensive reference book to now buying a second hand book on Tort off ebay and I've now got some great links to websites, so glad I asked the question and used the forums for the first time!!
Mr Curious  
#14 Posted : 06 September 2016 13:51:22(UTC)
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Mr Curious

It also depends on what you want to do (area or sector you operate in or want to move it). For example, the HSE has a good read with guidance on CDM 2015. However, since I wanted to go the extra mile and be more informed on the Regulations (mind that I am new to H&S with no previous knowledge of CDM), I went ahead and bought a book off amazon that seemed to have the best reviews from certified purchasers. I can say that I am pretty happy with the result since I want to be moving in the construction sector soon. I do agree to start from the HSE website. Free and informative material.
MikeKelly  
#15 Posted : 07 September 2016 15:50:44(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Like David Watkins above I read law too. And I would agree with his recommendations: whist at uni we recycled old text books regularly as they are a diabolical price and still useful anyway as long as you kept on top of people like Denning and his many decisions. However, in regard to a book for the 'discerning OHS professional' I would recommend Munkman's Employer's Liability at Common Law-now in 16th Ed. Brilliant [not cheap though], just look what it has to offer up particularly with regard to many of the queries on forums. He writes a fine defence of strict liability which the government [and Lofstedt] has taken a big axe to -very backward methinks. I lent my copy to someone to help with CMIOSH and never saw it again-hmmm Bon chance Mike
MikeKelly  
#16 Posted : 07 September 2016 15:57:03(UTC)
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MikeKelly

Forgot this one which David will remember? First published in 1945, Glanville Williams: Learning the Law has been introducing readers to the skills needed to study law for over half a century. It is a cherished favourite among readers and considered the classic must-have book for every student beginning to study the law. Now revised and updated for its 15th edition, Learning the Law is one of the most commonly recommended titles for students beginning university law courses. Gives an overview of the English legal system in a clear and accessible style Corrects common misunderstandings about the law Explains how to interpret statutes and look up points of law Enables readers to understand the outcome and implications of a case Introduces legal problems that readers are likely to come across and explains how best to tackle them Goes through legal research and how best to undertake it Offers advice on study methods and exam preparation to work effectively and manage time effectively Gives guidance on how to prepare for and take part in moots and mock trials Also good stuff Mike
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