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ifielding10  
#1 Posted : 13 September 2016 10:10:12(UTC)
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ifielding10

A recent safety audit has highlighted that the MSDS sheets do not reflect the new pictorial changes as required under CLP regulations. I understand that suppliers of substances have until 1st June 2017 in which to re-classify / package if the product was available on the market prior to 1st June 2015.

Given that many MSDS / SDS available do not carry the updated symbols under CLP, how can we demonstrate to audit teams that the COSHH Risk Assessment is 'suitable and sufficient' if the MSDS has not been updated by the supplier?

Is this a common non-conformity being raised by auditors and have other members challenged the findings? Any feedback or advice would be welcome:)
chris.packham  
#2 Posted : 13 September 2016 10:25:03(UTC)
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chris.packham

In the first place for COSHH risk assessments I would not worry about safety data sheets or labels. They simply do not tell you what you need to know. This is now covered in the 6th edition of the ACoP for COSHH. The fact is that we purchase chemicals to use. In the process it is common that we change their properties and thus the hazard. The changes will depend upon what you are doing, which chemicals are being used and what happens to them during the task. So rather than start by listing all the chemicals a proper risk assessment starts with the task, then looks at the chemicals being used in that task, how they are being used and the resulting hazard. The same chemical can represent different hazards when used for different tasks.
Bear in mind that the safety data sheet will only provide information on those constituents that have been assigned a hazard statement. There are thousands of chemicals that can represent a hazard to health, particularly with skin exposure, that have never been assigned relevant hazard statements. As an example, in his book on patch testing de Groot mentions over 4300 chemicals known to dermatologists as sensitisers, the majority of which will never have been assigned H317 - May cause an allergic skin reaction - and almost certainly will not feature as such on the safety data sheet.
If you need more on this feel free to PM me with your e-mail address and I will send you a document I have on this subject.
Chris
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 13 September 2016 10:38:13(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

As Chris has said (he is usually right about this) the SDS and whatever pictures are included in it this year don’t really matter. All the new regs have done is changed how the underlying information is presented not what the hazards are… if it was corrosive under CHIP it is still corrosive under CLP/REACH.
What you should be doing is establishing what risk this stuff poses to your staff and decided what you are going to be doing about it.
Suitable means that the risk assessment addresses the hazards that you come across and sufficient that you establish a realistic assessment of the risk from exposure.
ifielding10  
#4 Posted : 13 September 2016 10:46:49(UTC)
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ifielding10

Hi Mr Kurdziel,

Thanks for your response, agreed and both post have confirmed what my initial thoughts were but it's been very helpful to hear the thoughts of others.

Many thanks.

Ian.
jodieclark1510  
#5 Posted : 13 September 2016 11:00:33(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

Something that may stop the auditor raising this issue again, I did a quick sheet with the old and new symbols with a quick blurb outlining that they had changed and popped it at the front of our on site folders. Our COSHH Assessments also have a small key with the new symbol and written description i.e harmful, highly flammable.

I agree with previous comments that there are more important things to deal with and should be concentrated on before changes in pictograms- but a five minute task may save revisiting the same non-conformity if it keeps being raised?
ifielding10  
#6 Posted : 13 September 2016 11:11:39(UTC)
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ifielding10

Hi Jodie,

Thanks for the reply to my post. Agreed that is a good way to demonstrate that our risk assessments are following the new symbols. I have gone through each MSDS/SDS it was clear that the old MSDS did not cover or display the Irritant symbol for example, but after reading the MSDS it was clear the substance was an irritant.

If you establish that the MSDS states the substance has the potential to cause irritation, would you highlight this using the new symbols on your risk assessment sheet? or would you stick to the CLP symbols contained in the MSDS?

Look forward to reading your thoughts on the matter.

Kind regards
Ian.
jay  
#7 Posted : 13 September 2016 11:26:46(UTC)
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jay

It is incorrect to state that suppliers have until June 2017 to reclassify as per CLP as far as SDS's are concerned. For that the deadline was June 2015.

All you need to ensure ( which the supplier should have anyway!) is that the SDSs are upto date.
A better question from the auditor would have been, how is it ensured that the SDSs' are the latest from the supplier.

While I agree that in essence the "skin" dilemma mentioned by Chris and it is the task/activity that ones assesses for COSHH, one cannot discount the information in an SDS, despite that it may be generic. It is impractical, in most cases to undertake a COSHH assessment without taking into account the information in an SDS. Yes, by all means we must take into account the Principles of prevention. COSHH Regulation 6 (2) (b) states , (plus other requirements) that

The risk assessment shall include consideration of information on health effects provided by the supplier, including information contained in any relevant safety data sheet;

The guidance further clarifies that:-
Supplied chemicals and products
Employers should decide what information is required and the amount of detail needed to carry out the assessment. Safety data sheets for chemicals and products must be provided by the supplier to meet their legal responsibilities. These safety data sheets provide hazard/health effect details and the general precautions needed when handling a substance or product. The employer’s knowledge and experience of the work activity and the circumstances of use will provide useful information for carrying out the assessment.


Derogation from re-labelling and re-packaging of mixtures

There are certain limited circumstances where the transitional arrangements for mixtures can be extended. Where a mixture (formerly a preparation) has already been classified, labelled and packaged according to CHIP, and placed on the market before 1 June 2015, it does not have to be recalled for re-labelling and re-packaging. This derogation is available until 1 June 2017. From that date, mixtures placed on the market must comply with the CLP Regulation.

Note: there is no derogation for classification responsibilities.


ifielding10  
#8 Posted : 13 September 2016 12:00:15(UTC)
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ifielding10

Hi Jay,

Thanks for your response and it has become clear that the contents of an MSDS will only play a part in assessing the risks associated with the substance.

I'm still a little unclear about the derogation in relation to classification responsibilities. The term (formerly a preparation) if the substance has been classified under CHIP and available on the market before 1st June the manufacturer, supplier etc does not have to re-classify until 1st June 2017?

Does this mean in practice the supplier can just put off the re-classification until this date?

Look forward to your reply.

Ian.
Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 13 September 2016 12:53:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The derogation only applies to products already on the shelf

If the manufacturer made them before 31st May 2015 they may have labelled according to CHiP (most will have volutarily adopted CLP before this date). Any mixture manufactured on or after 1st June 2015 must be labelled according to CLP.

NOTE: if you purchase pure substances these should already be CLP.

The trick here is to see what labels are on the product in your facility - if they are CHiP you should have an SDS with the same labelling if they are CLP you need a new SDS.

Problem for a lot of companies is that you rarely deal with the manufacturer/formulator but a distributor of a distributor who are damned poor at communicating information.

Also note on 1st June 2016 the Classification process must be from first principle so reading R** and assuming H*** is incorrect.

A lot of suppliers did hang back applying the new labelling as the classifications became commercially disadvantageous - a lot of products previously unclassified suddenly acquired hazard categorisation. The manufacturers of washing up liquids were most upset when they had to apply GHS07 (exclamation mark) and the word Warning on their packaging
Roundtuit  
#10 Posted : 13 September 2016 12:53:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

The derogation only applies to products already on the shelf

If the manufacturer made them before 31st May 2015 they may have labelled according to CHiP (most will have volutarily adopted CLP before this date). Any mixture manufactured on or after 1st June 2015 must be labelled according to CLP.

NOTE: if you purchase pure substances these should already be CLP.

The trick here is to see what labels are on the product in your facility - if they are CHiP you should have an SDS with the same labelling if they are CLP you need a new SDS.

Problem for a lot of companies is that you rarely deal with the manufacturer/formulator but a distributor of a distributor who are damned poor at communicating information.

Also note on 1st June 2016 the Classification process must be from first principle so reading R** and assuming H*** is incorrect.

A lot of suppliers did hang back applying the new labelling as the classifications became commercially disadvantageous - a lot of products previously unclassified suddenly acquired hazard categorisation. The manufacturers of washing up liquids were most upset when they had to apply GHS07 (exclamation mark) and the word Warning on their packaging
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