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Praveen Varma  
#1 Posted : 13 September 2016 19:36:11(UTC)
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Praveen Varma

To protect overspill of tank lorry during loading operation generally the automated gantry are provided with over spill sensor, which stop the flow of product immediately once the product touches to over spill sensor.

This is a only single measure available to control the over spill. But some time this sensor does not work due to issue in automation system, faulty over spill sensor etc etc.

To my mind the over spill at tank lorry gantry is a really a great risk specially if the product is motor spirit. I am looking the suggestion for secondary active control to avoid the over spill at Tank Lorry gantry.

Please suggest
Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 13 September 2016 21:00:35(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Fit another suitably SIL rated sensor. Probably SIL2 rating
andybz  
#3 Posted : 14 September 2016 08:19:32(UTC)
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andybz

Usually a metered delivery system is the main control - it will only allow a specified quantity to be delivered to the tanker. Each tanker is set up on the system so its capacity is known.

If a vapour recovery system any overfill will result in liquid to this system. It will be contained and can be detected by level detection in a knock out pot or similar.

Often a human is more reliable than an automated protective device. A dead-mans handle can be used to ensure the human is present to monitor the level.

Unless the overspill detection device is an integral part of the tanker, reliability is difficult to ensure. The ones I have seen are part of the gantry and have to be inserted to the top of the tanker for every fill. It is difficult to guarantee that it has been located correctly and they are vulnerable to damage.
stevedm  
#4 Posted : 14 September 2016 08:40:28(UTC)
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stevedm

Agree with Ian the control system loop should at least be SIL 1 probably SIL 2...it should have a formal assessment and if it is a critical control measure for your MAH you should have measures in place to have this fixed in short order.. :)
Ian Bell2  
#5 Posted : 14 September 2016 14:57:35(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Diasagree with #3, a human is not likely to be more reliable than a correctly assessed/designed Safety Instrumented System especially if a SIL2 is specified/used.
andybz  
#6 Posted : 14 September 2016 16:59:01(UTC)
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andybz

I am aware that devices are available for use in tanker barrels for sensing high levels (e.g. http://www.scully.com/wp...Sensor-EU_60296_RevF.pdf). However, I am not aware of them being used widely.

I have found the following document from HSE on the subject of overfilling tankers, which does not make any explicit reference to such devices. http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...-overfill-prevention.pdf

Can anyone (Ian or Steve) point us towards a SIL rated overfill system for road tankers? I think one of the challenges will be to fulfil the SIL criteria on a system that is partly fitted to road tankers (many) and partly to the loading facility. If such a system does exist I would agree that it would be useful in addition to a basic control strategy (technical or human). Care would be required to ensure the overfill protection does not become part of the normal control (i.e. fill until it trips).
Ian Bell2  
#7 Posted : 14 September 2016 17:46:18(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Section 5.1 items 1 & 2 covers the implied SIL rating of the control system.

Suggest you need to complete a SIL/LOPA risk assessment to determine what SIL rating you need. Probably SIL2

EN61508 and/or EN61511 cover functional safety determination.

After that, speak to a suitable C&I design company with knowledge of such work. They will be able to design and specify a SIS.
andygser  
#8 Posted : 15 September 2016 19:04:53(UTC)
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andygser

Hi Varma, what facilities are you using, is it top loading or bottom loading?

I'm guessing from your other question on loading arms that you are top loading? Are you in the UK? Again I suspect not as you mentioned overfilling motor spirit.

More details of your terminal and set up will help.
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