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Roundtuit  
#1 Posted : 19 September 2016 15:38:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As we see the government announcing tougher sanctions for those using mobile phones behind the wheel (plenty of strong forum feeling against the habit) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37389800 Two drivers claim "hardship" to escape bans under totting up rules http://www.manchestereve...tant-15-penalty-11905272 http://www.manchestereve...pes-driving-ban-11902311 Would your company policy "dismiss" an individual with similar poor driving history or contiunue to place the public and co-workers at risk?
Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 19 September 2016 15:38:47(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As we see the government announcing tougher sanctions for those using mobile phones behind the wheel (plenty of strong forum feeling against the habit) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37389800 Two drivers claim "hardship" to escape bans under totting up rules http://www.manchestereve...tant-15-penalty-11905272 http://www.manchestereve...pes-driving-ban-11902311 Would your company policy "dismiss" an individual with similar poor driving history or contiunue to place the public and co-workers at risk?
A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 19 September 2016 15:53:46(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

some magistrates are obviously a soft touch! In the first case well tough, as an auditor the guy should know rules are there for a reason and how would he like it if one of his clients said that they were "suffering hardship" trying to comply with the accounting standards and if they could be let off this once. they promised to get their accounts in order next time. And is the second case: all the major supermarkets will do home delivers! No need for a car then!
biker1  
#4 Posted : 22 September 2016 09:46:07(UTC)
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biker1

The problem is getting worse, and I am far from convinced that simply increasing the fines and points is going to achieve much. Persistent offenders will simply see this as an occupational risk, and not a particularly high one, as the likelihood of getting caught is pretty slim. The only way to tackle this silliness is to use technology to physically prevent anyone from using a mobile or other such device whilst the vehicle is moving. I would have thought this would be quite possible, although there seems to be no impetus from the mobile phone companies to do this, obviously for commercial reasons, so they would have to be compelled by law to do so. In the meantime, a hefty fine and short driving ban if caught once, if caught a second time a ban for life, and if someone is injured or killed as a result of their actions, an automatic long jail sentence, simple.
Roundtuit  
#5 Posted : 22 September 2016 19:01:25(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For £150 I can apparently activate a connectivity between my mobile and the cars sat-nav screen. "We" consumers are apparently driving such improvements in vehicles so it is highly unlikely manufacturers would install a signal blocker activated by a running engine more is the pity. That said some countries do implement measures contrary to manufacturer desire - seem to recall the use of cruise control is/was illegal in Belgium
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 22 September 2016 19:01:25(UTC)
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Roundtuit

For £150 I can apparently activate a connectivity between my mobile and the cars sat-nav screen. "We" consumers are apparently driving such improvements in vehicles so it is highly unlikely manufacturers would install a signal blocker activated by a running engine more is the pity. That said some countries do implement measures contrary to manufacturer desire - seem to recall the use of cruise control is/was illegal in Belgium
biker1  
#7 Posted : 23 September 2016 12:29:35(UTC)
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biker1

It does seem ironic that on the one hand we are developing technology to make cars safer, whilst at the same time developing other technology to make them more dangerous. Isn't it time the government regulated on this, I thought that was one of the things we elected them for?
A Kurdziel  
#8 Posted : 26 September 2016 13:22:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post
It does seem ironic that on the one hand we are developing technology to make cars safer, whilst at the same time developing other technology to make them more dangerous. Isn't it time the government regulated on this, I thought that was one of the things we elected them for?
<p>We are consistently making vehicles that are easier and more comfortable to drive. This creates a disconnect between what we do in the car and what happens out there on the road which is why some people do stupid things like talk on the mobile or try to send an email on a laptop or have a shave while driving ( have seen all of these things) .</p><p>Perhaps instead of making cars “safer” we should have of responsibility entirely put on the drivers. Vehicles should be the sort of thing that they drive in Mad Max or Judge Dredd!</p><p>No windscreens or doors or heating/air con/side impact protection etc so you get a really feel for the road and its climate</p><p>Rubbish to non-existent brakes to encourage people to think about how they are going to slow down a bit more and maybe discourage driving too close</p><p>An open exposed engine so they can actual see what car is actually doing</p><p>And finally if you have an accident you don’t get an ambulance or recovery vehicle to come and pick you up: you just get scrapped off the road and pushed into the ditch.</p>
WatsonD  
#9 Posted : 26 September 2016 13:39:51(UTC)
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WatsonD

In response to the accountant, as I haven't read the other. Why did the risk of a ban and losing his job. not being able to pay his mortgage not prevent him from driving like an idiot? He knew the rules (like we all do) and chose to ignore them. In my opinion its a bit late to start thinking about the consequences of your actions after the event. So I find it ridiculous that this is a possible get-out clause. Lets face it we could all use this one. Which would make the law pointless. Nice to see he could be in line for promotion though. Who doesnt want a careless risk taker in charge of their money
biker1  
#10 Posted : 27 September 2016 10:30:41(UTC)
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biker1

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post
It does seem ironic that on the one hand we are developing technology to make cars safer, whilst at the same time developing other technology to make them more dangerous. Isn't it time the government regulated on this, I thought that was one of the things we elected them for?
<p>We are consistently making vehicles that are easier and more comfortable to drive. This creates a disconnect between what we do in the car and what happens out there on the road which is why some people do stupid things like talk on the mobile or try to send an email on a laptop or have a shave while driving ( have seen all of these things) .</p><p>Perhaps instead of making cars “safer” we should have of responsibility entirely put on the drivers. Vehicles should be the sort of thing that they drive in Mad Max or Judge Dredd!</p><p>No windscreens or doors or heating/air con/side impact protection etc so you get a really feel for the road and its climate</p><p>Rubbish to non-existent brakes to encourage people to think about how they are going to slow down a bit more and maybe discourage driving too close</p><p>An open exposed engine so they can actual see what car is actually doing</p><p>And finally if you have an accident you don’t get an ambulance or recovery vehicle to come and pick you up: you just get scrapped off the road and pushed into the ditch.</p>
Spot on. The best safety device for a car is a big spike sticking out of the steering wheel. Cars are offering more and more protection against drivers' stupidity, which to me seems to be missing the point completely. Plus with all of the features (e.g. lane sensors, for goodness' sake!) appearing now, they give drivers even more licence to do more and more things apart from driving the car. I was starting to think that driverless cars would make a better job of it, but the recent accident in America where the car system couldn't tell the difference between the sky and the white side of a lorry has reinforced the view that the only way to improve driver safety is to improve the drivers.
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 27 September 2016 11:01:29(UTC)
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bob youel

My personal opinion [after well over 50 years at work] is that the only reason the gov will not ban nor otherwise stop such fool hardy use of a mobile phone is money [£]. H&S, poor driving etc. does not come into it.  ---  The fines will creep up but will always be below a point where people will actually stop using them whilst driving thus the gov will make lots of dosh and the same thing is happening with regards to 'vapouring'

All H&S advisers can do is to provide appropriate advice to their management

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