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Hi
I’ve joined an organisation following the death of a member of the pubic, who was hit and killed by a moving vehicle on one of our sites. The HSE investigated and found the company liable.
Since my appointment I have discovered that the company have never employed a competent H&S person since its creation in 1974, and that H&S is regarded as a necessary evil by many senior managers. The Director (appointed as the safety champion) has very little respect for the safety post and does not see it as an important part of the business.
Following an audit of its H&S compliance, the results revealed that most if not all relevant H&S legislation is not complied with and that there are a multitude of safety procedures not provided. All this was presented to the director and none of which was taken seriously. I have also discovered that a million near misses involving MOP are occurring annual, again little response.
I have tried to engage and steer the director to accept the seriousness of the companies H&S positon, following the results of the audit, but it has been rejected. It now transpires that the director is trying to protect their position by undermining my advice, with the aim to remove me form the post.
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David
What were the consequences of the HSE prosecution? (I would have thought this would elicit more concern and interest than an audit)
Are you serious about a million near misses involving members of the PUBLIC?
How do you know this?
Who did the audit?
Is this a recent appointment - are you still on probation?
Do you want to stick with it?
Are you looking for a way ahead or a way out?
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Has an actual prosecution occured?
Before or after the revised sentencing guidelines?
Use this as your "in" to crack the current intransigence, if you see no movement from the business the best thing to do is get out of dodge.
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Has an actual prosecution occured?
Before or after the revised sentencing guidelines?
Use this as your "in" to crack the current intransigence, if you see no movement from the business the best thing to do is get out of dodge.
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Thanks for your replies.
Q1. What were the consequences of the HSE prosecution? (I would have thought this would elicit more concern and interest than an audit) - When they were assessing the case whether to prosecute or not, it was 49 v 51 not to proceed. We had also fulfilled all their required works to prevent a further death, which over the years have now slowed down to an almost stop.
Q2. Are you serious about a million near misses involving members of the PUBLIC every year? (yes).
Q3. How do you know this? (we have carried out site data sampling on near misses. By the way they are trying to manipulate these numbers).
Q4. Who did the audit? (our internal staff over 5-6 yrs, this results in 6m over the period).
Q5. Is this a recent appointment - are you still on probation? (I’ve been there several yrs).
Q6. Do you want to stick with it? Are you looking for a way ahead or a way out? (I want to stay and improve the safety for the public good).
Q7. Has an actual prosecution occurred before or after the revised sentencing guidelines? (neither, they have been very luckly).
Q8. Use this as your "in" to crack the current intransigence, if you see no movement from the business the best thing to do is get out of dodge.
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Hi David.
Effectively 'six million to one'. You got away with it! (That's how it can be seen).
From a business perspective those odds don't appear to justify any real attention.
A prosecution would have made all the difference . . .
Can you do further analysis of these 'near misses' to identify real potential, I am assuming that they are across a range of 'oops' to 'OMG!' (on the 'Sadlass scale of scaryiness').
Perhaps you can show how many REALLY close calls you have had in the last (say) six months, and how the best examples of these, as 'case studies', could have panned out with the newer climate of enforcement and sentencing. And, importantly, how they could be put right - I am assuming they can be in some way and this is what you are looking for.
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David
Your account of the organisation you work in raises questions about why you accepted an appointment there.
By accepting an offer of employment, did you and the management not explicitly agree to purposes expressed in the offer or in associated documentation? And that there was fair agreement that you have the 'competence' to resolve problems associated with your role?
I imagine you will be aware that many other OHS specialists, including 'competent' ones, have experienced the core problem as you describe it.
I suggest that you may find the most fruitful approach is the 'Stages of Change' approach to OHS described in several issues of 'Applied Ergonomics' since the paper by Roger Haslam CFIOSH (an IOSH Trustee and member of the IOSH Research Committee) in its May 2002 issue. For starters, your account is on the boundary of the first and second stage of change.
If you regard these research papers as a bit too highbrow, 'Changing for Good', is an account of the SOC model by its creators J Prochaska, J Norcross and C DiClementi It is available on Amazon.co.uk for 0.01p
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David
To the extent that you wish to exercise leadership, you can learn from the adaptive style of leadership that Nelson Mandela exercised as a prisoner for over twenty years. He combined small but effective efforts to maintain and boost morale of other prisoners with respectful attention to his jailers whom he got to know well.
Since you apparently count statistics, you can also carry out inferential statistical analyses about the conditions you describe and indicate how inattention to safety of human capital wastes £xxxx.00 annually. Such quantitative analysis would at least indicate to the financial management in your company that you can speak their language.
As you indicate, at this stage of development of the company you can control your own time and energy more than you can influence how others control theirs. Is there any obligation for you to adopt a stereotypical style of safety intervention dwelling so much on compliance?
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David, am I right to assume your employer is a large construction company?
Are you the only safety professional?
In my opinion and what I think I would do, is to throw away every single safety procedure and start again from scratch. Possibly the first would be the H&S Policy and name the individuals responsible for the various roles. Do a presentation to the board and get their support.
Then choose your next target, perhaps site safety procedures, re-write and present to the main players, management down to the people at the sharp end. Get their buy in and monitor their following your new practices.
Your next steps will be up to you but if you get those two right you are on your way.
Only my opinions mind.
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Find a different job / better employer.
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Is this director in question the overall boss, or are there a number of directors and an MD in the company?
If the latter is true then you need to work to get support from each director individually and build up the momentum of support this way. It will be harder for the one director to block you. Sometimes H&S is about influence and people skills. See if you can work with them to introduce changes which will also save money.
If it is a case of the former, then see Ian Bell2 post at #9
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I've worked within an organisation that has been through a HSE prosecution, it may sound odd but in the longer term it was no bad thing, concentrated the minds.....
It seems that many organisations interpret MHSAWA Reg. 7 how they'd like it to read as opposed to how it does
I've always tried to find the influencing mind among those at the top of the tree and concentrate my efforts there, there tends to be at least one reasonable director and it enables you to remain sane amongst the madness
Ultimately you have to decide if you are comfortable where you are sat and whether there is the slightest chance of success
I've worked with a totally inept and incompetent 'director' (he was CMIOSH) that was actually rather frightening
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Talk to the workers and thry and get them on board, they might surprise you.
But remember it is only a job, someone pays you to do, don't let it interfere with your life outside of work or you'll just burn yourself out. when I finish at 4 on a friday I don't think about work until the monday, the same each night. I will look at H&S topics outside of work only if i want to.
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Document everything you do and advice you give, keep copies of emails, letters etc. When push comes to the inevitable shove you will be able to prove that you gave proper advice and management decided to ignore it.
In the meantime try other ways to win the battles that you can, gain support from those who are willing to give it.
But it does sound like a new employer will be the best outcome for you.
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Hi
Many thanks to all of those who gave advise, it is much appreciated.
Kind regards
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IMHO it is wrong to ask us to comment on a situation on which we are only given one side of the argument, the Manager in question may have a very different version of events.
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This paper enlarges the scope for organiational change: ''Taking Ownership of Safety: what are the active ingredients of safety coaching and how do they impact safety outcomes in critical offshore working". Karuesslar V, Avery R & Passmore J. International Journal of Occupational Safety and Ergnomics (2015). http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/10803548.2015.2017941 Without coaching interventions, the observation by "O'Donnell" risks deepening what is portrayed as stalemate and stagnation, not uncommon before people and organisations are prepared to make significant changes. With skilful coaching, David T can move out of the zero-sum muddle he portrays, to the benefit of all concerned.
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Kieran, my point is that you cannot find a solution if you do not know what the problem is. With only one persons view in any dispute that is not possible. Truth is often in the eye of the beholder.
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