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Hanley40948  
#1 Posted : 06 October 2016 09:38:55(UTC)
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Hanley40948

I work for a large multi site charity. I've been asked if there are any H&S reasons why volunteers in certain properties cannot be given sole day-to-day H&S management responsibilites. Putting the moral aspect to the side for a moment, am I being stupid? I can't see how theoretically (with sufficient training/instruction/  overseeing support and some sort of written agreement between the relevant parties etc) this cant happen. Views welcome.

Invictus  
#2 Posted : 06 October 2016 10:02:38(UTC)
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Invictus

Originally Posted by: Hanley40948 Go to Quoted Post

I work for a large multi site charity. I've been asked if there are any H&S reasons why volunteers in certain properties cannot be given sole day-to-day H&S management responsibilites. Putting the moral aspect to the side for a moment, am I being stupid? I can't see how theoretically (with sufficient training/instruction/  overseeing support and some sort of written agreement between the relevant parties etc) this cant happen. Views welcome.

One reason is that the charity will rely on volunteers and move away from paying employees.

RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 06 October 2016 10:46:16(UTC)
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RayRapp

Moral argument aside, I see no good reason why volunteers cannot undertake basic health and safety duties for which they have been trained and the tasks are within their comfort zone. That said, the Devil is in the detail - so what sort of h&s duties are you talking about? Simple things which volunteers could undertake is things like ensuring premises are free from trip hazards, checking fire doors are not blocked, checking the first aid box is fully stocked, etc.
sadlass  
#4 Posted : 06 October 2016 11:29:28(UTC)
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sadlass

You can ask the volunteers to do anything you want. What you can't do is enforce this.

The organisation (presumably an actual employer) retains legal responsibilities.

Simple practical checks, as above, are fine.

There will be a continued need for effective managerial oversight and control.

Martin Gray  
#5 Posted : 06 October 2016 19:50:14(UTC)
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Martin Gray

There is no reason or limit to the H&S responsibilities that a volunteer can undertake, provided the organisations H&S Policy and procedure is suitable and sufficient.  Also the volunteer needs to be willing to accept the responsibilites.

I worked as a volunteer on a Canal restoration project (only 3 paid employees) and all the team leaders were responsible for H&S on their specific sites and projects.  All accepted the responsibilities and were trained in their roles and had responsibility for writing risk assessments and method statements and enforcing them with the volunteer members of their teams.  CDM and Construction H&S files werte created by the team leaders along with their project plan.  They were also responsible for ensuring PPE was provided and worn when required.

Did it work yes and we were able to completely restore a lock on time within within just over 12 months.  The organisation are drawing up volunteer contracts which seems to be the norm with volunteer organisations that provide paid for training.

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 06 October 2016 20:08:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

Martin, that's all fine and dandy but, it's no good giving a volunteer the task of writing up RAs if they do not have a scooby how to do it, regardless of whether they accept the task willingly or what is articulated in the H&S Policy.

jwk  
#7 Posted : 07 October 2016 14:32:13(UTC)
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jwk

I work for a very large, high profile charity with a wide portfolio of activities. Many of our public services are wholly volunteer run. We rely on the competency of our volunteers to deliver services safely, and on the day the supervision and management of H&S is down to our volunteers. We also have paid H&S professionals, but as a team we are actively exploring ways we could use volunteers to help us spread ourselves around a bit. It's hard to get round all of our 600+ (or more, we're not quite sure) workplaces.

At my last place we used volunteers in an advisory role, they were H&S professionals who were between jobs or looking for experience. We found that this didn't wholly relieve the paid staff from the work the volunteers did, as there was a need for quite a bit of supervision. It did help though, and while we had the volunteers we did cover more ground than we had been able to previously.

It is, as has been said here already, a question of recruiting the right volunteer, giving them the right support, and making sure you have the right kind of volunteer agreement,

John

chris42  
#8 Posted : 07 October 2016 14:40:17(UTC)
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chris42

There is a difference between responsibilities, (fire checks etc) and responsible (ie when it all goes wrong). When H&S decisions are made by volunteers, do they become responsible not the charity or does the charity’s insurance policies specifically cover them (as if they were employees). I always wondered this when I was out of work 4 years ago and considered volunteering. Chris
Hanley40948  
#9 Posted : 07 October 2016 15:39:15(UTC)
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Hanley40948

Hi, thanks all for your considered responses, and I'm happy to take any more thoughts too. I'm out of the office most of next week, but will digest all of the opinions and come up with a composite response which I'll happily share.  

Martin Gray  
#10 Posted : 08 October 2016 17:13:26(UTC)
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Martin Gray

RayRapp, all the volunteer team leaders are given training in writing risk assessments and method statements as part of their Team Leader training.  

The liability insurance held by the trust covers both the paid staff and volunteers.

Hanley40948  
#11 Posted : 13 October 2016 15:57:09(UTC)
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Hanley40948

The proposal was to have volunteers carry out not only H&S ‘maintenance’ activities – routine checks etc but to also assume responsibility for day to day H&S management/supervision. The idea, with no contribution from me, has been shelved. I’m glad that for the time being at least it has not progressed since aside from the H&S issues, I’m not comfortable with the potential replacement of paid staff with volunteers.  I didn’t get as far as checking with our insurers, by the way, and I did wonder if there was any case law.

RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 13 October 2016 19:41:40(UTC)
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RayRapp

Not sure about the case law...however it is really not a complex situation. Provided you give volunteers the proper support and training you can give them h&s responsibilities that are within their capability. The legal duty still remains with the organisation - you can delegate responsibility but you cannot negate it.    

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