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Righton-Corrick22193  
#1 Posted : 09 November 2016 09:48:04(UTC)
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Righton-Corrick22193

Someone has asked me if you are warming pipes containing an inert substance in a safe area with a handheld torch, in order to unblock a blockage, which heating the pipes will melt the content and remove the blockage. Is this warming process considered hot working?

Ive reviewed HSE data and its not defined as hot working.

Can anyone advise please.

chas  
#2 Posted : 09 November 2016 10:14:26(UTC)
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chas

I would suggest that if you are using a naked flame to melt/thaw the contents then there is likely to be a considerable risk of fire and the works should therefore be considered as being 'hot works'. I could possibly be convinced otherwise if you were using a hot air gun/blower but that would depend very much on the environment you are working in.  

pl53  
#3 Posted : 09 November 2016 10:27:39(UTC)
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pl53

It all depends on what your current ysytemis for controllinh high hazard work, if indeed you have one. Not trying to be flippant thereby the way. What I mean is yiu should have a system for controlling highhazard work such as work at height, confined space work, hot work etc. You are entitled to set the parameters for deciding which work falls into which category yourself. There is guidance available for hot work but it is only guidance.

You should look at the type of work, and the environment in which the work is being undertaken. If the work is routine, it is normally controlled through risk assessment and a suitable safe system of work. If it is non-routine then you may decide to control it through the use of a permit system. You should look at how the work will be done, who will do it, how competent they are to do it, and where it will be done. In doing this, from the point of view of hot work, you will be looking at the risk of the work resulting in a fire, not just to the work being done, but to the surrounding areas. So is there any flammable material stored in the area, flamable waste, flammable construction? Can heat be conducted along the pipe work to other areas where such conditions exist?

Ultimately it is up to you to decide which system suits your operation.

A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 09 November 2016 10:29:09(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This is down to your risk assessment. So you heat up the pipe- how hot will it get? Is there a risk that the pipe will be hot enough to start a fire? Is there anything in vicinity that can catch fire?

There is no legal requirement as such to mount a watch if there is no foreseeable risk.

Jane Blunt  
#5 Posted : 09 November 2016 10:45:53(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

You don't say what the inert material is, or what the blockage is.

Slightly off topic, but using a torch is not a very controlled way in which to raise the temperature. Have you considered what might happen if it gets too hot and perhaps boils?

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sidestep45  
#6 Posted : 09 November 2016 11:05:30(UTC)
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sidestep45

My opinion, you've have not supplied enough information to assess whether this would qualify as hot works or not. While a fire in the pipes is unlikely as it it contains an inert material you haven't given information on where the actiity will take place, surely the fire risk would be from any fuel source surrounding this operation, if for instance it takes place in the loft of an old building then there may well be a fire risk, on the other hand it may take place out doors against a brick wall and may  not qualify as a hot works activity.

David Bannister  
#7 Posted : 09 November 2016 11:52:19(UTC)
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David Bannister

Many insurers will insist (or at least expect) that any use of naked flame in an otherwise flame-free environment be only done under the conditions of a Permit. 

Kate  
#8 Posted : 10 November 2016 07:59:02(UTC)
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Kate

I agree that if you are using a flame it would normally be considered hot work, for the reason already given (potential to start a fire in the surrroundings).

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