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Invictus  
#1 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:18:59(UTC)
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Invictus

I have been asked today for a risk assessment by a school because we have 15/16 year olds coming in to wrap presents and pack some small hampers.

So this is what I wrote because I could see no paoint in it I am sure others on here can come up with even more. If I was 15/16 and knew some one was asking for an assessment I would be annoyed.

Wrapping boxes and toys

Use of scissors

Sellatape

Make sure you know what way up to hold the scissors; it is good idea not to hold them by the sharp part when you want to cut items. Make sure you know where your other hand is to prevent cutting it with the scissors.

When wrapping do not tape yourself to the box as you might be given away as a present.

When wrapping odd shaped toys make sure you use enough paper.

If you think you might get paper cuts ask for a pair of gloves.

It helps if you keep your eyes open while cutting items, it helps you to see were you are cutting.

Try to remember not to pick your nose when using scissors in case you poke yourself in the eye with the scissors.

Putting items in boxes

Make sure that items are not too heavy; perhaps if it is a large tin of beans for example this could be managed by two of you.

Were safety shoes or at least leather shoes in case you drop something on your foot. Do not wear sandals as it is cold and the packet of biscuits could hurt if dropped on your two.

Mr.Flibble2.0  
#2 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:29:09(UTC)
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Mr.Flibble2.0

COSHH

Beware when using Tinsle to decorate the boxes or if being used as a pacakaging material. Long term exposure to Tinsle can cause Tinselitis. Only use in a well ventilated are and keep away from small children.

PH2  
#3 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:30:06(UTC)
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PH2

:-)

WatsonD  
#4 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:35:41(UTC)
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WatsonD

Invictus,

Statement by Judith Hacket on the HSE website (you should draw the schools attention to paragraph 5):

Introducing students to the world of work can help them understand the work environment, choose future careers or prepare for employment. It can take the form of a short, or longer, placement with a placement provider (employer) where they will have the opportunity to observe and practice work tasks.       

But work placement arrangements are too often seen as over-bureaucratic and burdensome, putting off potential employers. We must tackle this and stop over-interpretation of the law. 

The effectiveness of the employer’s risk management arrangements is what matters. Employers should already be managing the risks in their workplaces and are best placed to assess whether or not they need to do anything additional for a new young person joining them.

Schools and colleges, or those organising placements, should simply ask sensible questions, in proportion to the level of risk, to satisfy themselves that those arrangements are in place.

They should not be second-guessing employers’ risk assessments or requiring additional paperwork. 

An appreciation of risk and how to deal with it can be one of the biggest benefits offered by a placement. We need young people (those under 18) to be offered opportunities to develop new skills and gain experience across the world of work.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/youngpeople/workexperience/

Invictus  
#5 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:41:46(UTC)
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Invictus

Originally Posted by: WatsonD Go to Quoted Post

Invictus,

Statement by Judith Hacket on the HSE website (you should draw the schools attention to paragraph 5):

Introducing students to the world of work can help them understand the work environment, choose future careers or prepare for employment. It can take the form of a short, or longer, placement with a placement provider (employer) where they will have the opportunity to observe and practice work tasks.       

But work placement arrangements are too often seen as over-bureaucratic and burdensome, putting off potential employers. We must tackle this and stop over-interpretation of the law. 

The effectiveness of the employer’s risk management arrangements is what matters. Employers should already be managing the risks in their workplaces and are best placed to assess whether or not they need to do anything additional for a new young person joining them.

Schools and colleges, or those organising placements, should simply ask sensible questions, in proportion to the level of risk, to satisfy themselves that those arrangements are in place.

They should not be second-guessing employers’ risk assessments or requiring additional paperwork. 

An appreciation of risk and how to deal with it can be one of the biggest benefits offered by a placement. We need young people (those under 18) to be offered opportunities to develop new skills and gain experience across the world of work.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/youngpeople/workexperience/

I agree if the risk were different even to the point of going into our establsihments I would take a totally different view of the risks but sitting down, wrapping presents and packing tins of food (maybe 20 hampers) then the risks are so small that they are insignificant. I would be insulted at that age that someone was telling me howw to do this. If they were younger say primary age I would look at the risks for this differently.

WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:58:17(UTC)
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WatsonD

They are also doing nothing at your premises that they don't do/ havent done at school. So aside from the usual housekeeping instructions fire exits, toilets, etc. I, like you, fail to see what they expect you to provide them with.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 29 November 2016 15:59:40(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The problem with teenagers is that you can never be certain of what you get. They might come in and behave sensibly, use all of their equipment correctly and be delightful and charming with it OR they might be devious monsters who can devise new ways to cause mayhem and distraction using only sticky tape, scissors and wrapping paper. What is really scary is that any group of teenagers can fall into either camp depending on various imponderables including the phases of the moon and the FST 100 index.

Be afraid, be very afraid

Brian Campbell  
#8 Posted : 30 November 2016 17:19:09(UTC)
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Brian Campbell

I would have said an initial toolbox talk is of more benefit here than an actual risk assessment, as a risk assessment should be communicated anyway!!!  Supervision would also need to be provided at all times.

Invictus  
#9 Posted : 01 December 2016 07:33:36(UTC)
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Invictus

Originally Posted by: Brian Campbell Go to Quoted Post

I would have said an initial toolbox talk is of more benefit here than an actual risk assessment, as a risk assessment should be communicated anyway!!!  Supervision would also need to be provided at all times.

The fact that you have to do anything is bizarre to me. This is what we are trying to get away from.

thanks 1 user thanked Invictus for this useful post.
Scotty C on 01/12/2016(UTC)
JamesKennedy  
#10 Posted : 01 December 2016 07:53:32(UTC)
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JamesKennedy

Very disappointed to see that the interaction between 2 students while wrapping a present was not identified. Who knows what harm could happen when one student is holding the wrapping paper around a present while a second student uses sellotape to tightly secure the wrapping paper. Good interaction / communication between students would be vital during this process - Heaven knows you could end up with nail polish been accidently removed from someones nail - imagine the litigation as a result

Scotty C  
#11 Posted : 01 December 2016 08:45:28(UTC)
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Scotty C

Originally Posted by: Brian Campbell Go to Quoted Post

I would have said an initial toolbox talk is of more benefit here than an actual risk assessment, as a risk assessment should be communicated anyway!!!  Supervision would also need to be provided at all times.

Hmm. Not sure if serious or entering into the spirit of things..............

HSSnail  
#12 Posted : 01 December 2016 14:13:01(UTC)
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HSSnail

Risk assessment for wrapping hampers and presents by 15 year olds. Materials used - paper, cello tape, scissors. canned products Hazards: Only normal everyday hazards which this age group will have the life skills to understand. Significant Risks: None Corrective Actions Needed: None. complete! I'm afraid I come across this type of thing all the time, risk assessments requested for insurance purposes where no significant risk exist and they never read what you give them anyway so why not tell them how you see it! No need to try and invent risks just to please them.
chris42  
#13 Posted : 01 December 2016 14:40:56(UTC)
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chris42

Removal of mistletoe as that can lead to all sorts of problems ( and I like being a killjoy) :o)

biker1  
#14 Posted : 01 December 2016 16:05:13(UTC)
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biker1

Will you be passing this risk assessment on to Santa's elves? After all, they've apparently been at serious risk of injury for centuries. It's time something was done about this appalling situation.

Safety Smurf  
#15 Posted : 01 December 2016 17:05:11(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Originally Posted by: biker1 Go to Quoted Post

Will you be passing this risk assessment on to Santa's elves? After all, they've apparently been at serious risk of injury for centuries. It's time something was done about this appalling situation.

Valid point! I'd take it up with the Elven Safety Executive!

WatsonD  
#16 Posted : 02 December 2016 07:55:48(UTC)
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WatsonD

I thought Harry Potters friend Hermoine had set up the Society for the Promotion of Elvish Welfare or SPEW for short

HSSnail  
#17 Posted : 02 December 2016 10:15:14(UTC)
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HSSnail

Once many years ago as part of my school governor duties I had to help in Santa Grotto! So on the last day of work I took in my Elf Jumper wore it while sat at my desk. My manager walked past a few times and eventually ask why I was dressed as a gnome! Gnome and Safety Officer does not have quit the same Ring as Elf and Safety Officer in my view but then who am I to judge! Happy Friday everyone!
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