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Hi Learned friends Just a quick question to canvass an opinion. Obviously lots of service engineers turn up daily for countrywide service works and wondered
What do people expect an electrician for intance to carry on him to illustrate competence befire he starts work. ie what do you think he sould carry to show to a store manager ? Just ID or his TRADE card and is this a legislative requirement or a nicety ?
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Never ever been asked for this. You asked specifically about electricians, but service engineers, even if they are doing electrical work, may not be "electricians" and are unlikely to have a trade card - I don't!
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To clarify is this an electrical engineer or an electrician. Not being pedantic but its quite different. What is the scope of his works?
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Not 100% clear on the kind of situation you are looking at Spud.
To me this sounds like a contractor turning up to carry out work at a store. All I would expect is for the person to be able to show who they are or who they were working for. The assessment of competence should have been carried out at the tender/contract stage in line with the electricity at work regulations and The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974.
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Just to clarify and elaborate a little. This is from an FM perspective so yes they would have already been vetted/Pre-qualled for competence for the works being carried out and it is only simple reactive electrical works for short periods ie.. Heater proke down etc.
I understand some middle managment can often be a little over zealous but all i am asking is ..... 1. Should he carry some form of proof of competence and is it mentioned in any guidance anywere ? 2. Is it unrealistic of a site manager to ask for proof of competence in such an instance baring in mind their employer (our Client) as already in a agreed maintenance agreement where they know contractors are pre-qualled ?
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An easy way to check is to ask for either ECS card or JIB: http://www.ecscard.org.uk/
http://www.jib.org.uk/
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For me spud that again is down to the agreement made as part of the contract - far two often have seen branches of national companies let contractors create hazards and then just say "nothing to do with me" but again I would not expect individual managers to be assessing competence of contractors before work started. If they saw evidence of poor practice during the work then that's a different matter.
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It depends. If at tender stage the contract just sates they will use someone with a particular competence or if they provide details of a particular person to do the work (and is checked at this stage). If the first, then yes, they (local manager of site or one of his minions) should check and if the second option they should just confirm the person is who they say they are. How many times do we hear of sub-contractors, sub-contracting out themselves.
To be honest just because someone has all the qualifications and tickets / badges and supposed shed loads of experience, still does not necessarily make them competent or prevent them screwing you over if they get the chance
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Chris42 is so right. Just cos you can see a bell it does not mean that it works. J.I.B. Approved Electrician is good. J.I.B. Installations Technician is very good. They have to show the qualifications to get the cards. Things to look for would include C&G 2391/2395
Please do not confuse an electrician with an Elect eng. Paul Skyme is the real deal. As said above, qualifications are one thing, it's what you do with them that matters. Integrity and dignity,,,
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Originally Posted by: spud  Hi Learned friends Just a quick question to canvass an opinion.Obviously lots of service engineers turn up daily for countrywide service works and wondered
What do people expect an electrician for intance to carry on him to illustrate competence befire he starts work. ie what do you think he sould carry to show to a store manager ? Just ID or his TRADE card and is this a legislative requirement or a nicety ?
As has been suggested, this should be sorted at tender stage.
You as an organisation need to ensure that you select competent contractors.
There is no legal get out, the buck stops with you.
There are many test cases that enforce this.
If you as an organisation are not ensuring that ompetence of the contractors personnel that are being sent to your site, then you are liable for their incompetence.
Please don't mix up Engineers with electricians and plumbers, they are not one in the same thing.
It's like calling someone with an IOSH working safely qualification a H&S consultant.
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