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Safetybuzz  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2016 10:05:14(UTC)
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Safetybuzz

Hi,

I am hoping for your help if at all possible. What qualifications/experience would you expect from an engineer who repairs domestic white goods, washing machines, dishwashers etc? No live work takes place. The engineer isolates the equipment they are working on before works take place. They go through an internal training program on how to do this safely however they wouldn’t necessarily be a trained electrician.

 

I look forward to hearing your thoughts/experience.

Bob Hansler  
#2 Posted : 07 December 2016 09:53:50(UTC)
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Bob Hansler

A Very good question but one I have no answer for.  One such 'Engineer' got killed last year as I recall.  The poor chap was trained on the machine (I beleive) but there was aLine to earth-fault within.  Sadley his testing was not that good and he didn't spot it.  He then plugged the washer into the kitchen socket outlet that was a DIY job that had no earth path.

'Engineer' then switches on the machine, the  frame becomes live but the fault has no path to follow to switch the circuit breaker/fuse off and then said 'engineers' puts hand on the machine and the other hand on the earthed  water pipe and the circuit is complete (for a short time).

The engineer died.  I think he was 22 years old.

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paul.skyrme  
#3 Posted : 07 December 2016 17:30:01(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

For IEng, I think that the Engineering Council requirement is a Bachelors Degree, for CEng I think it's a taught Masters these days, so for an Engineer I would expect those qualifications at least.

However, please check the Engineering Council website, and the relevant Engineering Institute, which I suspect will be the IET in this case.

Edited by user 07 December 2016 17:31:31(UTC)  | Reason: Still not used to having a spill chucker available! ;)

Peterhigton  
#4 Posted : 08 December 2016 16:00:36(UTC)
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Peterhigton

Hello Safetybuzz,

for my monies worth, someone undertaking those types of repairs i would think should have BS7671, domestic electrics course and a suitable white goods course. Taking into account their skills knowledge and experience of such repairs is also another thing to look for (as might their incident/accident rate?). I've met a few engineers in my time , and whilst being academically brilliant, aren't always so good at the practical stuff (which is what is also required when repairing the drum on your washing machine etc).

walker  
#5 Posted : 12 December 2016 09:43:38(UTC)
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walker

I imagine the majority are semi skilled technicians at best

I can't think that someone who has sweated through A levels (2 years), a engineering degree (3 years), and then chartership (at least 3 years), would be interested in a job fixing washing machines. 

WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 12 December 2016 12:22:37(UTC)
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WatsonD

Walker I agree completely. This is unlikely to be fully chartered Engineers undertaking this work. But this does bring us back to full circle again as to what qualification a washing machine repair person should have?

Does each manufacturer provide bespoke training on their equipment?

In which caes do we get approved or accredited Whirlpool/Zanussi/Indesit/Hotpoint, etc. maintenance repair engineers.

chris42  
#7 Posted : 12 December 2016 13:04:06(UTC)
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chris42

There is this ( and other options shown on RH side), seems to cover servicing of Machines.

http://www.cityandguilds.com/qualifications-and-apprenticeships/building-services-industry/electrical-installation/2359-consumer-electrical-and-electronic-servicing#tab=information&acc=level3

walker  
#8 Posted : 12 December 2016 14:32:40(UTC)
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walker

Originally Posted by: WatsonD Go to Quoted Post

Walker I agree completely. This is unlikely to be fully chartered Engineers undertaking this work. But this does bring us back to full circle again as to what qualification a washing machine repair person should have?

Does each manufacturer provide bespoke training on their equipment?

In which caes do we get approved or accredited Whirlpool/Zanussi/Indesit/Hotpoint, etc. maintenance repair engineers.


I was trying to make a point; they ain't engineers. 

Just like the hospital porter is not a medical consultant.

And dare I say it: a bloke with a 5 day managing safely certificate isn't a safety practitioner.

Its no coincidence a country like germany where the title engineer has protected status they have people who want to be engineers.

WatsonD  
#9 Posted : 12 December 2016 15:58:36(UTC)
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WatsonD

Originally Posted by: walker Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: WatsonD Go to Quoted Post

Walker I agree completely. This is unlikely to be fully chartered Engineers undertaking this work. But this does bring us back to full circle again as to what qualification a washing machine repair person should have?

Does each manufacturer provide bespoke training on their equipment?

In which caes do we get approved or accredited Whirlpool/Zanussi/Indesit/Hotpoint, etc. maintenance repair engineers.


I was trying to make a point; they ain't engineers. 

Just like the hospital porter is not a medical consultant.

And dare I say it: a bloke with a 5 day managing safely certificate isn't a safety practitioner.

Its no coincidence a country like germany where the title engineer has protected status they have people who want to be engineers.

Like I said, I agree with you that they aren't engineers. Nothing  in my post is disagreeing with your statement.

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