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Hi, does anyone have RA for gatehouse/weighbridge staff ?
Thank you
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This is something that I wrote on the 6th December. I think it applies in this case too ” I think that the issue with the original posting is that some users of the forum assume it is intended to provide a supply of ready-made RAMS which people can copy and apply in their own workplaces. Risks assessment
does not work that in that way. A risk assessment has to be “suitable and sufficient”, which means for one thing it should be specific for the situation that exists in that workplace. It would therefore be unprofessional for people to share actual risk assessments, without understanding fully what the work involves. We can provide advice and guidance usually with a smile, but not actual documentation.”
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Sorry I do not have one to send you but I disagree that it would be 'unprofessional' to send you a copy as long as people are made aware that it is for them to ensure that it is suitable and efficient to that particular workplace.
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I'm with A Kurdziel on this. To do otherwise simply perpetuates the falsehood that risk assessments are bits of paper. However, this is about being helpful, so dourleye - a more appropriate question might be...can anyone help me out with what typical risk factors I should be considering for gatehouse/weighbridge staff? e.g. workplace transport, vehicle movements, lone working etc.
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Originally Posted by: Xavier123  I'm with A Kurdziel on this. To do otherwise simply perpetuates the falsehood that risk assessments are bits of paper. However, this is about being helpful, so dourleye - a more appropriate question might be...can anyone help me out with what typical risk factors I should be considering for gatehouse/weighbridge staff? e.g. workplace transport, vehicle movements, lone working etc.
Don't agree, this appears to be more about I had to do it so, so do you. Anything I have I would send out to people as long as they understood that they would have to adjust for specific sites and activities.
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The place I currently work at, are paranoid about handing out RAMS (more than me!) Apparently a few years ago a waste contractor asked to see our RAMS for handling a particular material; these were duly sent. Sometime later the contractor was being investigated and it was noted by the HSE that they were using our RAMS as their own: they hadn’t even bother to change the headings! The HSE asked us what was going on but they quickly understood. Its apparently quite common to borrow others RAMS. After all it’s just paperwork, isn’t it? So how do you know that they have amended your RAMS to make them applicable to their work situation? Passing on RAMS is not illegal but is does encourage poor practice. In the case of the gatehouse, we don’t know where it is (impacts on lone working, a weigh-house located in an area referred to as the “Zoo” by the locals would have different lone working arrangements for one in the picturesque village of Tory by Bottomley), how busy it is, what sort vehicles and even if it is in the UK.
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Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel  The place I currently work at, are paranoid about handing out RAMS (more than me!) Apparently a few years ago a waste contractor asked to see our RAMS for handling a particular material; these were duly sent. Sometime later the contractor was being investigated and it was noted by the HSE that they were using our RAMS as their own: they hadn’t even bother to change the headings! The HSE asked us what was going on but they quickly understood. Its apparently quite common to borrow others RAMS. After all it’s just paperwork, isn’t it? So how do you know that they have amended your RAMS to make them applicable to their work situation? Passing on RAMS is not illegal but is does encourage poor practice. In the case of the gatehouse, we don’t know where it is (impacts on lone working, a weigh-house located in an area referred to as the “Zoo” by the locals would have different lone working arrangements for one in the picturesque village of Tory by Bottomley), how busy it is, what sort vehicles and even if it is in the UK.
Now if you would of given the reason then I could see why you wouldn;t but it is not 'unprofessional' to do.
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jeez you are a difficult lot....I have rarely come across a group like this
Sorry bud I don't have one that I can share (for you to be a ble to review and help with compiling your own....(
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Originally Posted by: Clark34486  jeez you are a difficult lot....I have rarely come across a group like this
Sorry bud I don't have one that I can share (for you to be a ble to review and help with compiling your own....(
Don't know why were difficult I said at the beginning I didn't have one, but I would of sent if I did.
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Well I for one will not be sending any documents I have produced in the course of my work to anyone who requests one on a Public forum.
There are plenty of templates available for setting out and good advice given on HSE and other websites. There are plenty of experienced H&S consultants out there who will work with you if you need competent advice. This forum is great for aking specific question to help with your understanding.
Asking that "it is sent only for you to review and produce your own" is a cop-out. You have no control over how it is used.
These are legal documents that we have produced. They are a record of a risk assessment that was carried out by persons in their own workplace. They are specific to the workplace and the personnel undertaking the work. In fact, even these require reviews to keep them relevant.
I think it would be a diservice to my profession, to be party to handing out documents, which may, or may not be used as a quick fix, rather than a proper risk assessment carried out by a competent practitioner.
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Originally Posted by: WatsonD  Well I for one will not be sending any documents I have produced in the course of my work to anyone who requests one on a Public forum.
There are plenty of templates available for setting out and good advice given on HSE and other websites. There are plenty of experienced H&S consultants out there who will work with you if you need competent advice. This forum is great for aking specific question to help with your understanding.
Asking that "it is sent only for you to review and produce your own" is a cop-out. You have no control over how it is used.
These are legal documents that we have produced. They are a record of a risk assessment that was carried out by persons in their own workplace. They are specific to the workplace and the personnel undertaking the work. In fact, even these require reviews to keep them relevant.
I think it would be a diservice to my profession, to be party to handing out documents, which may, or may not be used as a quick fix, rather than a proper risk assessment carried out by a competent practitioner.
That's why I lkie this forum, we all have our own opinions and that's not a bad thing. There are a lot of templates out there and your quite right we don't know if the person has had training in R/A's but either way if you sent something, took your name off the companies name etc. you don't have responsiblity if they decide to use it and it is not suitable.
But I will conceed that they should give what they have identified and ask is there anything else that maybe relevant. All areas are different but normally we all identify similar hazards, it's the control measure that might be different.
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Whats the issue with doing your own anyway, doesnt actually seem that difficult of a task. Are you consulting with staff and looking at accident trends? I'd start with the obvious hazards which cnat be that difficult.
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When I first started out as a safety professional I was always reviewing other risk assessments created by other professional. It gives you a great starting point and gives you a framework to build upon. I also found it a good aide memoir when consulting with stakeholders. Now - as an experienced safety professional I will always mentor those new to the profession using mine (and others) professional portfolio.
.......why reinvent the wheel........unless you are a safety consultant who loves loads and loads of billable hours. That being said I’m sure most consultants aren’t like that.
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