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Lishka0  
#1 Posted : 19 December 2016 17:01:49(UTC)
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Lishka0

I would be interested in hearing people's views around contractual issues and health and safety issues on CDM sites and legal possession of a CDM site. We are currently experiencing a H&S concern on site which is under the PC's responsibility at the moment. We as the client have raised concern around  lack or site management previous times (the sub contractor has been nominted by the PC as site supervisor? - discussion point?!).

I am being told other colleagues that we have no legal/contractual control over the site and it is up to the PC to manage. This particular site has a PD who has been involved in the pre-construction but as this is a design and build contract I feel they should be involved in more than just the pre-construction.(another discussion point!?)

There is concern that as the client we are getting more involved than perhaps we 'contractually' should but my worry is we still have a duty to take reasonable precautions to ensure H&S on site, managing and coordinating sub-contractors etc. Contractual or no contractual responsibility would the HSE take a certain stance against us as the client regardless of contractual responsibility/site ownership?

johnwatt  
#2 Posted : 19 December 2016 17:40:15(UTC)
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johnwatt

CDM 2015 is quite clear that all parties, client, PD and PC all have a duty towards health and safety on a construction site. Specifically regulation 6 states that:

(6) A client must take reasonable steps to ensure that— (a) the principal designer complies with any other principal designer duties in regulations 11 and 12; and (b) the principal contractor complies with any other principal contractor duties in regulations 12 to 14;

The CITB have produced some good guidance on CDM as have the HSE, both links below. 

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l153.pdf

http://www.citb.co.uk/health-safety-and-other-topics/health-safety/construction-design-and-management-regulations/cdm-guidance-documents/

RayRapp  
#3 Posted : 20 December 2016 08:31:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

How CDM works in practice is fraught with complications some of which you have identified. Part of the problem is that CDM Regs cannot determine or define every possible scenario. That said, as the client you do hold the purse strings and if all else fails you could contact the authorities if your concerns are not addressed about how the site is being managed.

The PC is responsible for site safety and security - that's a given. How they discharge their duty is entirely up to them. As a conscientious client it is incumbent upon you to raise any concerns. Getting the PC to address them may be more difficult. If you put your concerns in writing to the PC I believe you will have discharged your duty and insulated yourself. 

I am currently experiencing similar problems with a PD who thinks they are the PC!

gramsay  
#4 Posted : 20 December 2016 10:22:24(UTC)
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gramsay

Hi Lishka

In addition to what's said above, if your team have questions about either their reposnibility to make sure site safety is up to scratch, or their authority over the PC in this matter you could also have a look at what your contract actually says. You may well find what you need in there.

I know this doesn't help now, but this is where good pre-appointment discussions leading to a clear contract combined with robust Pre-Construction Information really help in setting out what's required. Before everyone starts ho-ho-hoing, I know that doesn't always happen but when it does it makes life so much easier.

On most of our sites, our clients will absolutely expect us to run them safely and will inspect and monitor to make sure this is happening. They don't want anyone being killed or injured on their behalf.

Moss18458  
#5 Posted : 06 January 2017 11:32:49(UTC)
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Moss18458

to add further point not raised, and whislt not aware fully of the project details and complexity.. It would be permissable for the PC nominate a suitably trained, competent and resourced sub-contractor to temporarily manage the site - but only provided that contractor (or named person/s) have appropriate SMSTS training qualification in addition to any other duties such as first aid and temporary works co-ordination/design as may be required for the contract... 

RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 06 January 2017 19:16:30(UTC)
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RayRapp

Since when has it been a prerequisite for sub-contractors' staff to have SMSTS qualifications whether they are acting on behalf of the PC or not?  

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