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Hi, As a ground working company we use 3-5T excavators to lower in kerbs on kerb lifters practically every day. These are supplied by an operative driving a site approved fork lift. Now and again we use a bigger machine to lower in manhole rings.....all very run of the mill stuff. Weve been asked by the principle contractor to provide an A.P. to write a lifting plan which seems over the top. To do an AP course for myself, and then put 6,7,8 men through lifting supervisor course totalling thousands of pounds does not seem "reasonably practicable" for lifting in a few kerbs. An AP course would enable me to write plan lifts using tower cranes lifting 10's of tonnes. How can one stay commercially competitive if these draconian measures are in place? In short is it compulsory for a lift plan to be written by an AP, or can a NEBOSH accredited 20 yr on the tools safety advisor write a detailed Risk assessment and methosd statement to cover the above activities? Your help would be most welcome
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I would certsainly hope a safety advisor with 20 years experience could do it but you need to check with your principle contractor (at the risk of stating the obvious). If necessary, maybe hire a specialist H&S contractor to write it for you - I'm not volunteering my services by the way. That may prove less expensive than undergoing courses. I sympathise with you on this. The principle contractor should have been absolutely clear on what they require.
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Your Principal may be confusing the pragmatic and proportionate approach required by Regulation 8 of LOLER with the more stringent BS 7121 Code of Practice for the Safe Use of Cranes.
The work you're describing can be managed and written by a competent person - a broadly defined term which you are more than likely to be able to fulfil. I see no requirement or need for a prescriptive AP approach.
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an AP is appointed to manage lifting operations which this obviously does fall under, however, with your experience and with this being a relatively easy task I think the PC should be a little more realistic.
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I agree with the general consesus but do bear in mind BS 7121-2-1:2012 is also applicable to hoists, derricks, telehandlers, fork lift trucks and excavators when used to lift suspended loads. For the purposes of this standard all these are included under the term “cranes”.
you are lifting suspended loads which, since February 2016 require extra training for FLT drivers, see CPA guidace for telehandlers.
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