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clane  
#1 Posted : 21 February 2017 13:14:02(UTC)
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clane

More and more of our staff are having to travel as part of their role (UK based) and as a result of trying to keep costs down, some have started to use Air B&B for overnight stays as its cheaper (sometimes), friendler and mainly because a lot of the work we do is off the beaten track where hotels might not be as easily accessible. However you are staying in someone else's house that you don't know and have never met and we've all heard of a few horror stories. We currently don't have any policy in place or any advice/guidance for staff who want to avail of this option. I've put something together but hoped that someone might have encountered something similar before and would be happy to share their thoughts or even better a policy they've drafted.   

Many thanks in advance

walker  
#2 Posted : 21 February 2017 13:52:57(UTC)
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walker

I'd question this business model being legal.

Your folks are unlikely be insured as most owners don't tell their insurance companies and wing it.

False economy IMHO

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paul.skyrme on 21/02/2017(UTC)
fhunter  
#3 Posted : 21 February 2017 14:21:11(UTC)
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fhunter

Originally Posted by: clane Go to Quoted Post

More and more of our staff are having to travel as part of their role (UK based) and as a result of trying to keep costs down, some have started to use Air B&B for overnight stays as its cheaper (sometimes), friendler and mainly because a lot of the work we do is off the beaten track where hotels might not be as easily accessible. However you are staying in someone else's house that you don't know and have never met and we've all heard of a few horror stories. We currently don't have any policy in place or any advice/guidance for staff who want to avail of this option. I've put something together but hoped that someone might have encountered something similar before and would be happy to share their thoughts or even better a policy they've drafted.   

Many thanks in advance

Happy staff are the lifeblood, why get them to stay in air bnb full stop, it just comes across as a cheap option to the memebers of staff and makes them feel like the company does not value them. I did a lot of staying away in hotels/rooms/ B&B for a job a couple of years, from personal experience I would say it's worth ensuring the staff have some comforts. From the implication of cost cutting, they are not getting anymore money to stay away (as in salary) I presume? In which case the least a company should do in my opinion is provide a good hotel room, with its own facilities and not putting up with having to squat in someones spare bedroom. 

Bringing this back to safety, if you risk assess the process and decide you can reduce potential harm by putting them up in a proper hotel then that's the best control measure/policy. 

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paul.skyrme on 21/02/2017(UTC)
WatsonD  
#4 Posted : 21 February 2017 14:34:37(UTC)
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WatsonD

I had never heard of this before and now I have I can honestly say I would not entertain it. I feel uncomfortable enough staying over at friends or families houses, let alone complete strangers.

I would leave any company that tried to make me stay in someones spare room whilst on work business for them. You don't have any policies in place and if you look at it in the cold-light-of-day then you will realise that this is something you could not adequately control.

Is there not alternatives that could be explored if your company model is changing. How about recruiting home-based staff to cover sectors/ regions, if you need them field based rather then sending them all over the country from one central location for example.

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paul.skyrme on 21/02/2017(UTC)
paul.skyrme  
#5 Posted : 21 February 2017 19:23:53(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Well, I travel a bit for work, I stay in reputable hotels, and chain hotels, unless I can get a reference from someone I trust who has staid at a hotel previously.  My hotel company of choice is international.

I only do business class or above long haul flights, if I hire a car, I have a minimum spec that I hire, and again from reputable well known my company of preference is international.

If I was working for a customer who wanted me to use aid b&b, I would be suggesting in no uncertain terms that they find someone else.

I get the off the beaten track bit, but, tough.

I don't see why I should put myself at risk for a customer, or an employer, unless, I choose to do so knowingly.

If I was working for an employer that started this, nonsense I would be asking to prove how they can ensure my safety, and that of my belongings, etc.

Just nonsense, stop it now and put people somewhere where they have some privacy and comfort.

All IMHO obsiously.

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gerrysharpe on 21/02/2017(UTC), mistyhall on 21/02/2017(UTC)
gerrysharpe  
#6 Posted : 21 February 2017 20:10:15(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I have a Premier Inn account for when i'm away from home, So much better, i would imagine than staying in peoples houses etc..  may even be cheaper with some rooms only £35.00 if you book ahead.

Nice to take the Mrs away for a nice break :-)

Edited by user 21 February 2017 20:13:08(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 21 February 2017 21:47:43(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Gerry,

Get a Holiday Inn account, as long as the client is paying the bill, points on what you spend on rooms & restaurant, which gives you free nights away, so the more you stay away, then you can get free nights where you can stay away on business free, or you can take your wife away for free nights acomodation apparently.

I don't know what the tax implications are, however, I would look on it as an allowance for being away from home.

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gerrysharpe on 22/02/2017(UTC)
gerrysharpe  
#8 Posted : 22 February 2017 05:19:35(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Thanks Paul, Looking into that now :-)

Never had any issues about putting this down as a business expense. Saves on long journeys, and you get a decent breakfast in the morning.

Invictus  
#9 Posted : 22 February 2017 07:24:18(UTC)
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Invictus

Couldn't agree more with the rest this is a teerible plan, it could cause undue stress. I like ti have space when I am away and I mean the space to come and go as I feel fit being in someones home would be restrictive even if the occupiers didn't mean it to be.

sappery760  
#10 Posted : 22 February 2017 09:08:38(UTC)
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sappery760

Perceptions of risk have changed for the worse in my view these last 50+ years that I have been at work as people are now afraid of their own shadows & people are different even if its not admited today & companies bang people into hotels because of the money they 'manipulate' not because of safety concerns

And lets all admit that the real H&S risk in staying in a persons private home must be dramiticially below the risk of travelling to that home from their place of work & if I am wrong I will pack up today!

Sterile faceless hotels are not always the best & many millions over the years have happily & safely spent their working lives in 'digs' so I suggest that if a real risk exists then manage it & if no risk exists then let the workers get on with it as other non H&S factors are nothing to do with the H&S bod NB: what are the horror stories as mine and my staff [300] were all good - best of luck

Invictus  
#11 Posted : 22 February 2017 09:14:56(UTC)
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Invictus

Originally Posted by: sappery760 Go to Quoted Post

Perceptions of risk have changed for the worse in my view these last 50+ years that I have been at work as people are now afraid of their own shadows & people are different even if its not admited today & companies bang people into hotels because of the money they 'manipulate' not because of safety concerns

And lets all admit that the real H&S risk in staying in a persons private home must be dramiticially below the risk of travelling to that home from their place of work & if I am wrong I will pack up today!

Sterile faceless hotels are not always the best & many millions over the years have happily & safely spent their working lives in 'digs' so I suggest that if a real risk exists then manage it & if no risk exists then let the workers get on with it as other non H&S factors are nothing to do with the H&S bod NB: what are the horror stories as mine and my staff [300] were all good - best of luck

My reasons are not from safety mine is that I like to be able to come and go as I please and as I said I would feel retricted even if the occupiers didn't mean it to be.

When I am away I do not sit in the hotel I go to the local pub as more often than not the pubs that are close are cheaper for food and ale.

gerrysharpe  
#12 Posted : 22 February 2017 09:29:18(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

I'm guessing that different people will have different quarms about staying in someones home as opposed to staying in a Premier Inn or Holiday Inn. 

Speaking from experiance i would sooner go to a "Faceless Hotel" as opposed to staying in someones house as i have a set standard of how i expect to find the room in terms of comfort, Wifi, work space and quality of the Bed etc... 

Having said that there are people who would prefer staying in someones house,Spare room, Settee etc.. Buy sadly thats not me.

Edited by user 22 February 2017 09:30:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

fhunter  
#13 Posted : 22 February 2017 11:22:07(UTC)
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fhunter

Agree regarding the real issue at hand here, it is most certainly not safety however the OP rasied the safety element in the questions which is why I addressed it at the end of my original comment. 

I think the whole issue falls into the percieived value the employer places on the staff and as I caveated in my first post, in my opinion, if company puts me in an air BnB room becasue its only £30, that screams of being cheap and I would not feel happy, for the sake of an extra £20-30 they can put me into a hotel where i am not sharing a bathroom or worrying about popping in and out or waking everyone up if i'm leaving early. 

WatsonD  
#14 Posted : 22 February 2017 12:32:18(UTC)
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WatsonD

My response was more about my personal opinion of how comfortable I would be in this form of accomodation. However, I do believe there are still issues regarding H&S - and I'm not talking about the fear that every stranger is a serial killer! I'm sure that many of them would be more than adequate - but how would I know?

Having looked on this website it is clear there are no proper check and assessment of the standards of accomodation. No commitment to the BHA. There are all manner of potential issues. For example: is their wiring up to scratch? Is there adequate provision in the event of a fire? What are the 1st aid arrangements? What happens if a vulnerable adult or child lives there - what are the issues surounding this - are all staff CRB checked? I could go on.

No, I'm sorry I'm happy for anyone to disagree with me and bang on about how things were so much better 50 years ago when we all had much better attitudes toward risk (aparently), but for my money I would not entertain this for my workplace for the sake of saving a couple of quid. Give me a sterile, faceless hotel anyday - at least it is sterile!

Invictus  
#15 Posted : 22 February 2017 12:39:41(UTC)
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Invictus

All places are safe ask John Christie, he told everyone 10 Rillington Place was ok for a nights sleep.

50 years ago everything was safer, I was only four and can't remeber getting into many scrapes.

rach108  
#16 Posted : 22 February 2017 12:48:10(UTC)
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rach108

We turned this down for our lads. You just cannot tell where they are going. The hosts are not subject to any regulations or checks.

Another consideration for me was, if I send a team of Engineers to someone's house, they are at risk of false accusations if someone saw fit.

JohnashPiane  
#17 Posted : 22 February 2017 13:46:21(UTC)
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JohnashPiane

Hi! I have tested my employee with an accurate breathalyzer and he appeared to be drunk! I have bought it at: http://www.detective-store.com/alcohol-breathalyzer-for-employers-drager-alcotest-5820-1026.html

sappery760  
#18 Posted : 22 February 2017 17:42:06(UTC)
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sappery760

Just for interest

A recent clealiness survey [watched a show on day time telly news] showed that all 5 & 4 star accommodation failed [yep failed] the test and, yep U gussed it, the 0 -1 star types of accommodat passed with 3 having a middle of the road result

NB: it was not safer years ago it was a case that people just got on with things and lawyers were not chasing cases

paul.skyrme  
#19 Posted : 22 February 2017 18:11:26(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Originally Posted by: sappery760 Go to Quoted Post

Just for interest

A recent clealiness survey [watched a show on day time telly news] showed that all 5 & 4 star accommodation failed [yep failed] the test and, yep U gussed it, the 0 -1 star types of accommodat passed with 3 having a middle of the road result

NB: it was not safer years ago it was a case that people just got on with things and lawyers were not chasing cases

That I can believe

paul.skyrme  
#20 Posted : 22 February 2017 18:35:06(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Thinking about this again.

Toward the back end of last year, I had a job to do in Scotland, then the last two days of the week I was on a course in London.

Now, the course & accomodation I was paying out of my own pocket.

The travel from home to Scotland, to London to home, was covered by the job I was doing, negotiated.

Now, to save money on acomoodation, I stayed with my cousin in London, only the second time ever, she's lived there for over 30 years, the first was to see Queen @ Wembley in 86, when 4 of us went.

Now I had my own room, adjacent shared bathroom, there were another two in the house, keys, wifi password & free run of the kitchen.  I was staying with family, who I have been really close with over the years, even though seperated by distance for some time.

I felt REALLY uncomfortable, I was made more than welcome, but, it didn't stop me from feeling awkward.

I prefered my own space in the Holiday Inn in Edinburgh, even though it was not as convenient, or as homely, it was just what I was used to when travelling on business.

Would I stay with her again, possibly, because it worked, and I'm thinking that the scond time, might be easier, and digs in London are stupidly expensive!  So only if I was paying myself.  If I was on business and clients were covering the costs, then I would choose a hotel.

So, just to put a personal take on things, offering a real life comparison.

HTH

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gerrysharpe on 22/02/2017(UTC)
gerrysharpe  
#21 Posted : 22 February 2017 19:14:37(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Paul, Thats just how i would feel, To be honest you pay for a hotel you treat it as your own for the time your there, if you like eating Chinese at 3am in the morning, so be it. 

The fact remains that you pay for the room to use as "Your Own"

You can't really do that in someoneone else room, or if you've been put up for the night because you need to respect their wishes.

Just my 50c worth

Edited by user 22 February 2017 19:15:52(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

Roundtuit  
#22 Posted : 22 February 2017 22:25:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I once joked about being given a VW Camper Van when the company car came up for renewal (boss was moaning about hotel bills) - I was the one breathing a sigh of refief when it did not appear on the companies approved vehicles list.

There is nowhere so remote that Air B&B is the ONLY option - plenty of decent guest houses and hotels if you contact tourist information rather than relying on biased web seraches.

As others have indicated if you plan well even the large corporates offer a decent rate for advance booking and using the rooms away from peak days. I have even made block reservations up to 6 months in advance often getting rooms for 50-66% reduction against standard prices.

If there is a large chain nearby talk to their head office - if your company is a frequent user there are often corporate rates available.

Roundtuit  
#23 Posted : 22 February 2017 22:25:03(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I once joked about being given a VW Camper Van when the company car came up for renewal (boss was moaning about hotel bills) - I was the one breathing a sigh of refief when it did not appear on the companies approved vehicles list.

There is nowhere so remote that Air B&B is the ONLY option - plenty of decent guest houses and hotels if you contact tourist information rather than relying on biased web seraches.

As others have indicated if you plan well even the large corporates offer a decent rate for advance booking and using the rooms away from peak days. I have even made block reservations up to 6 months in advance often getting rooms for 50-66% reduction against standard prices.

If there is a large chain nearby talk to their head office - if your company is a frequent user there are often corporate rates available.

jwk  
#24 Posted : 24 February 2017 12:52:22(UTC)
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jwk

Mmmm,

While agreeing very much that I'd much rather be in an anonymous hotel room than somebody's spare bedroom, I have come across a couple of problems with hotels.

Like a colleague of mine who had a strange man walk into her bedroom at 3 in the morning, reception had accidentally given him the wrong room & key. She was OK and found it more amusing than anything else.

Or the time I opened my room, having just arrived, and thought 'somebody's left their luggage in the room', when a naked man walked out of the shower and apologised to me. Why he said sorry I don't know, it was me who had been given the wrong room and key.

Or the time a colleague of mine was woken up by the Police tasering a man in the corridor outside his room. Mind you, that was at Haydock.

These all happened in well-known hotel chains.

John

David Bannister  
#25 Posted : 24 February 2017 14:32:56(UTC)
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David Bannister

And then there's the 2AM knock on the door "you lonely mister? or something even more explicit!

Despite these unwelcome distractions it seems to me that employees deserve as a minimum their own cave to retreat from everyone else, not an annexe to someone else's cave.

Self-employed (genuine, not bound by a slavery contract) can make their own decisions.

Edited by user 24 February 2017 14:34:18(UTC)  | Reason: added last sentence

hannahbilson  
#26 Posted : 27 February 2017 12:12:26(UTC)
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hannahbilson

Well, the first motive of a travel safety is just to drive safe, arrive safe. Before travel we have to notice and make sure that there is no problem with engine, it does not stop in the midway. In case of any mishap or any technical failure you need to remember those men's or company who will help you in this case.

biker1  
#27 Posted : 27 February 2017 12:52:05(UTC)
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biker1

I used to spend a lot of time away from home in a previous job. The quality of hotels can be very variable; I've stayed in some I wouldn't go near again, and it wasn't as if they were cheap. I think there is a lot be said for the budget chain hotels, Premier Inn and Travelodge for instance, since if nothing else, you know what you'll be getting, down to the finest detail. I wouldn't feel comfortable staying in someone's spare room unless I knew them quite well, and if I did, I'm sure that I'd be expected to socialise with them, which wouldn't have been a viable option in my previous job, where I was expected to do paperwork in the evening. At least in a hotel, you can choose whether to interact with other people.

I was let down by a hotel chain on one business trip, and ended up heading north and looking for somewhere to stay. I came across one place, but looking at it, Norman Bates kept springing to mind. I did eventually find a large chain hotel.

biker1  
#28 Posted : 27 February 2017 13:13:19(UTC)
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biker1

I might add as a postscript that there is a drawback to the identical chain hotel rooms. I had this fear that I would wake up in the middle of the night and not know where I was. And eventually, it happened. Your mind goes through the questions of....I'm not at home.....where the hell am I?......okay, okay, I'm in a Premier Inn....but where? It's a very uncomfortable few seconds, I can tell you.

clane  
#29 Posted : 27 February 2017 13:52:40(UTC)
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clane

Thank you for your comments

I would just like to add that the idea of using Air B&B was suggested and endorsed by the staff, Yes management did suggest that it needed to look after its finances more closely due to changes to its funding structures, but what accomodation that should be used wasn't their idea.   Also in the majority of places, you don't share the premises with the owner or any other persons (at least not in the one's I've stayed in; London, Dublin, Florence and Montenegro), you have the apartment or house to yourself for the entirity of your stay, coming and going as you please. Yes of course I do appreciate that there are certain aspects that would not appeal to all but likewise as some on here have already commented, hotels aren't for everone either, it's just another alternative and more personable which is what some people like/prefer. 

Melrose80086  
#30 Posted : 01 March 2017 15:34:44(UTC)
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Melrose80086

In a previous role I had to travel the all across Scotland visiting home-workers for another organisation to do risk assessments for their staff.

Many of these houses were extremely remote (including down an unmarked farm road on the Black Isle). I stayed in Bed and Breakfast or hotel accomodation the entire time. Yes, some were rather grotty (I would like to forget the used nappy and half full bottle of baby milk I found in a hotel in Alford..shudders) but others were great and made a point of "looking after me (as a solo female business traveller) .

While I'd happily stay with a friend or family member, I'd be less inclined to stay in a room in someone's house I didn't know or had never met before. I'd need to know that the room I was staying in could be secured. I'd also probably spend time checking that the address was where it said it was etc and to save myself the hassle and book into a hotel or B&B that had been recommended to me by the client.

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