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Kelly Evans  
#1 Posted : 06 March 2017 16:23:48(UTC)
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Kelly Evans

We are a furniture manufacturers and attend Clients sites with furniture. Some has to be assembled (Pod), some dont (Chair). Can someone please help me define if any of these fall under "construction work" please?

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peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 06 March 2017 16:50:23(UTC)
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peter gotch

It's a no from me, but you would need effectively the same paperwork to comply with other legislation as if deeming CDM to apply.

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DHM  
#3 Posted : 07 March 2017 14:27:32(UTC)
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DHM

I would say yes. According to the HSE interpretation of Regulation 2 of CDM 2015;

(c) the assembly on site of prefabricated elements to form a structure or the disassembly on site of the prefabricated elements which, immediately before such disassembly, formed a structure;

(d) the removal of a structure, or of any product or waste resulting from demolition or dismantling of a structure, or from disassembly of prefabricated elements which immediately before such disassembly formed such a structure;

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Ron Hunter  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2017 15:22:27(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

No, because what you supply and build doesn't meet the definition of structure in the CDM Regulations.

"structure" means—

(a) any building, timber, masonry, metal or reinforced concrete structure, railway line or siding, tramway line, dock, harbour, inland navigation, tunnel, shaft, bridge, viaduct, waterworks, reservoir, pipe or pipeline, cable, aqueduct, sewer, sewage works, gasholder, road, airfield, sea defence works, river works, drainage works, earthworks, lagoon, dam, wall, caisson, mast, tower, pylon, underground tank, earth retaining structure or structure designed to preserve or alter any natural feature, and fixed plant;

(b) any structure similar to anything specified in paragraph (a);

(c) any formwork, falsework, scaffold or other structure designed or used to provide support or means of access during construction work,

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Alfasev  
#5 Posted : 07 March 2017 15:26:18(UTC)
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Alfasev

It is only yes when manufactured item arrive on a construction site for installation. If you are doing the installation on a construction site the Principal Contractor should guide you and will be considered a contractor. There is still the design liaison and if the items are bespoke you will be considered a designer under the regulations.

If you are just assembling a furniture pod in an existing occupied building and it is not part of a wider refurbishment project then it is not construction work.

It is a misinterpretation to read Regulation 2 (a)-(e) in isolation and there are many posts on this subject. It firstly must be “construction work” before considering (a)-(e) otherwise nearly everything you do in or associated with a structure is construction work, for example under (a) cleaning a toilet with bleach, a toxic substance, would be construction work!
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WatsonD  
#6 Posted : 07 March 2017 15:34:24(UTC)
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WatsonD

I agree its a no from me.

However, even if it was you would not need a F10 (not a bigg enough project), and as the sole contractor there would be no need for a principal contractor and therefore no requirement to produce a CPP - so all you would need - as Peter Gotch already stated - is effectively the same paperwork either way.

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fhunter  
#7 Posted : 07 March 2017 15:44:03(UTC)
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fhunter
Originally Posted by: WatsonD Go to Quoted Post

I agree its a no from me.

However, even if it was you would not need a F10 (not a bigg enough project), and as the sole contractor there would be no need for a principal contractor and therefore no requirement to produce a CPP - so all you would need - as Peter Gotch already stated - is effectively the same paperwork either way.

Watson just to clarify, as a sole contractor you still need to produce a CPP. 

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WatsonD  
#8 Posted : 07 March 2017 15:58:07(UTC)
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WatsonD

Sorry yes you are right. I got distracted whilst writing. I meant to add that you would not need a detailed CPP.

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fhunter  
#9 Posted : 07 March 2017 16:01:59(UTC)
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fhunter
Originally Posted by: WatsonD Go to Quoted Post

Sorry yes you are right. I got distracted whilst writing. I meant to add that you would not need a detailed CPP.

Exactly and in this case I fail to see what benefit a CPP would actually bring to the table. 
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Peterhigton  
#10 Posted : 07 March 2017 16:44:52(UTC)
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Peterhigton

Well, DFS delivered my new sofas the other day and had to 'build' them in the living room - and I'm sure they didn't have a CPP - they wouldn't need one. I'm sure they would have their RAMS, manual handling etc, which would be quite sufficient. I think sometimes we lose sight of common sense in the raft of legislation, blame culture and rear covering. Just my opinion though.

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