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SBH  
#1 Posted : 10 March 2017 13:08:08(UTC)
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SBH

We have just had a new fire alarm fitted in medical premises. Although not stipulated would you expect to find that enhanced fire rated cable is used rather than standard cable. Our installer is stating that standard is OK - because it was in the kitchen and large dining areas, but has we have phased horizontal evacuation strategies and are large unsprinklered premises I would have thought enhanced should be the norm, and also it should be the responsibility of the competent contractor to fit this or am I wrong??

SteveL  
#2 Posted : 10 March 2017 13:43:52(UTC)
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SteveL

Why did you employ a competent contractor?

Centurion  
#3 Posted : 10 March 2017 13:55:13(UTC)
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Centurion

Hi,

Never having heard of enhanced fire rate cable I thought it best to look it up - I found the following:-

This is a posting from The Safety Centre.co.uk
Fire Alarm System Installation

The following responsibilities of the fire alarm installer are as follows:-

  • To install a fire alarm system in accordance with the relevant standards i.e. BS5839
  • To use the correct type of fire alarm cable
  • To test the cables, continuity and earth, and to provide certificates
  • To flag up any variations that effect the design
  • To product a set of 'as-fitted' drawings
  • To sign off a BS5839 G2 Installation Certificate

Types of cables and where to use them

There are two basic grades of fire alarm cable permitted for use on fire alarm systems.  These are known as 'Standard' grade and 'Enhanced' grade designed to meet the standards BS 8434-1 and BS 8434-2 respectively.

The choice of cable needed is dependent on how long the cable is expected to continue to operate whilst a fire is occuring.

The integrity of the system is paramount and all interconnections between devices must be considered, especially those that effect the signal's critical path.

Firstly the British Standard insists that the mains supplies to the system, the manual call points and the automatic sensor circuits are wired in fire resistant cables.

What cable? - Standard or Enhanced fire resistant cables?

The Standard fire resistant cable will satisfy most applications particularly 'one out, all out' fire plans.  Enhanced fire resistant cables are required for applications that need communications to continue during a fire incident when the building fabric may be destroyed.  Examples of where Enhanced fire resistant cable should be used include:-

  • In Unsprinklered buildings where the 'Fire Plan' involves the evacuation of the occupants in four or more phases.
  • In Unsprinklered buildings greater than 30 metres in height
  • In Unsprinklered buildings or large network sites where a fire could affect the cables 'critical path', particularly where people will remain in occupation during a fire elsewhere on the site.
  • Where in part, a delayed evacuation may exist and the critical signal path may pass through an area of high risk.
  • Where a fire risk assessment has identified a particular need for enhanced cable.

Other aspects in regard to installation practice

  • The electrical characteristics of the cable such as impedance, capacitance etc should be capable of handling the data and power of the system.

Cable requirements

  • Core size not less than 1mm squared
  • Where exposed cables are below 2 metres, additional mechanical protection should be considered, except for cables complying to BS 7629
  • The colour of the outer sheath of the cable should preferably be RED although other colours are permitted as long as it is common throughout the building and does not clash with any other electrical services.

 Fire Cable Should:

  1. Be segregated from all other services.
  2. Not share the same conduit.
  3. Use a seperate compartment if common trunking is used.
  4. Avoid running alongside high current power lines.
  5. Avoid running adjacent to lightning conductors.
  6. Avoid electro magnetic interference from 'extra low voltage (240V) circuits'.
  • The Standard precludes the use of multicore cable where a signal fault will cause more than one circuit to fail.  This is particularly true with loop wired systems where communication from either end is required and the failure of a 4-core cable will mean that all communcation is lost.
  • Cable joints should be avoided, other than the components themselves.
  • Cable support should withstand the same temperature as the cable, which means the use of plastic cable clips, cable ties or trunking, where this is the main means of supporting the cable should NOT be used.
  • Cables should not rely on suspended ceilings for their support.
  • Mains power supplies should also be wired back to the main circuit breaker in fire resistant cable.

Recommendations for the Mains Power Supplies

For reasons of electrical safety, the mains supply to the system should be via a seperate circuit breaker taken from the load side of the building's main isolating device.  This circuit breaker can incorporate a switch if necessary but in either event should be labelled 'FIRE ALARMS - DO NOT SWITCH OFF' - this supply should be for the sole purpose of the fire alarm system.

In large multiple occupancy buildings it may be necessary to obtain a mains supply via a mains distribution board.  However the same arrangements as above apply.  The isolation of this local distribution board and the fire isolating device is a minimal requirement and should be inaccessable to unauthorised persons.

Ideally the supply should not be protected by a residual current device unless necessary to comply with the requirements of BS 7671.  If this is the case then it should not be capable of isolating the mains supply to the fire alarm systems.

Inspection and Testing of Wiring

Prior to any equipment being connected, all installed cables should be subject to a 500V dc insulation test.  These tests should show an insulation value of at least 2Mohm between conductors and between each conductor and screen or earth.

Earth continuity tests should be carried out on all mains supply circuits as well as an earth loop impedance in accordance with BS 7671.

The maximum impedance of each loop or radial circuit should be recorded to ensure it meets the manufacturers recommendations.

Cheers

Andy

paul.skyrme  
#4 Posted : 10 March 2017 21:44:16(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Originally Posted by: AndyMcCluskey Go to Quoted Post
... 6. Avoid electro magnetic interference from 'extra low voltage (240V) circuits'....


Andy,I realise that this is not your info, but a quote, however, I would caution anyone taking advice from the origin of this information, as the remaining part of the quote above, is totally incorrect!

There may be others, but this one jumped out at me.

240V is Low Voltage, NOT extra low voltage.

ELV is < 50V ac.

In fact for reference anything up to 1000 V ac is Low Voltage.

Edited by user 11 March 2017 06:09:58(UTC)  | Reason: Punctuation

Striker84  
#5 Posted : 10 March 2017 22:13:36(UTC)
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Striker84

In addition to the above information i have always found that the majority of cable is red. (Visible cable) but i must stipulate that the area is not one of my strengths so please refer to the legislation and codes of practice as set out in Andy's post.

Regards
Ian Bell2  
#6 Posted : 11 March 2017 02:00:02(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

#5 Do cables change colour from red where they can't be seen.......
thanks 1 user thanked Ian Bell2 for this useful post.
Striker84 on 11/03/2017(UTC)
paul.skyrme  
#7 Posted : 11 March 2017 06:21:24(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Please note, not a dig at Andy.

Another, BS 8434-1 has been withdrawn, in March 2009, that along with -2, are (were) test methods, not cable specification standards.

BS8434-1 had been replaced by BS EN 50200, which again is a test method, for cable, not a specification.

Edited by user 11 March 2017 06:22:51(UTC)  | Reason: Punctuation, & I don't know why the formatting is ruined, I can't change it!

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