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Originally Posted by: RayRapp  Dan, I am not a number cruncher so I readily admit I do not fully appreciate the sums or hypotheses you are promulgating with regards to exposure from asbestos contaminated materials. However, I do understand the concept of risk, subjective though it is, I suspect others like yourself are not so familiar with this concept.
The HSE have provided much guidance on how asbestos should be managed to try and reduce the risks from exposure. There are many different types of ACMs, some are by definition low risk and some are high. The condition for each and every type of ACM needs to be assessed as well as the location and other factors. So, there are many variables which need to be taken into account when managing ACMs. Notwithstanding the risk element, there is also the matter of cost, which is no small matter.
Your premise that h&s practitioners are not properly managing the risk from ACMs I would challenge. We may not be able to quantify those risks in a scientific formula, we have many other non-asbestos related risks to manage with limited resources and budgets. There is no such thing as a risk free society - it is about managing those risks to as low as reasonably practicable.
I sympathise with the limited budget available to the HSE, but I do understand risk. Risk, in the mathematical sense, is what I do for a living. What I do not sympathise with is the poor use of dat and inconsitent approaches whic leave workers (and housholders alike) with very skewed idea of risk.
Risk of lung cancer from Radon at 200Bq/m3 - about 1:190; HSE advice - no action required (the action limit is 400Bq/m3.
Risk from radiation (X-rays) 10 years at 6mSv/yr about 1:200; HSE advice - no action required, advisary is above 6mSv
Risk from driving at work - 150 people killed every week in work related driving incidents; HSE advice - a leaflet reminding employers that they need to do a risk assessment.
I could go on.
Risk of mesothelioma from non-occupational exposure to asbestos with no special precautions taken - about 1:50,000 (according to 2014 figures), or alternatively, according to Hodgson and Darnton models risk of ten yrs at 0.0003f/ml (which remember is the average air concentration in building regardless of the condition of the ACM) 2:100,000; HSE response - If you suspect a material might be asbestos consult a specialist, if it is friable/damaged it should be encapsulated or removed regardless of the cost, any exposure incident should be treated by disposal of clothes, thourough washing, evacuation of the room (all with no limits on the scale of the exposure)
As far as I can tell, this is totally out of proportion to the risk and totally at odds with the approach taken with other risks such as Radon and X-rays, where a lower limit has been set, and the HSE's own guidance which states that acceptable risks are around 1:10,000 for the public and 1:1,000 at work. Out of the workplace, alchohol, processed meat, tiredness while driving, stress at work, all seem to have had lower limits set which bring risks down to around 1:1,000, lower if practicable, higher if the cost is really prohibitive. Yet with asbestos, there's no lower limit of practicability been set for the public, no square meterage of material that it's OK to leave no matter what condition it's in, no frequency of incidents below which no actions need be taken, nothing. I just find that really odd, that's all.
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