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safetyamateur  
#1 Posted : 02 June 2017 08:47:53(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Anyone able to point me to a standard for this? Safety Signs Regs doesn't appear to address.

We have a problem with people colliding with signs on, for example, lamposts that are too low.

At what height is it considered reasonable to avoid this?

Cheers

Ian Bell2  
#2 Posted : 02 June 2017 09:54:38(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

Has safety come down to this.... people walking into signs BS 5499-4 Fire escape signage gives guidance on the text size/mounting height and vie wing distance of escape signs. Guess you could use this as a guide.
safetyamateur  
#3 Posted : 02 June 2017 10:04:56(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Thanks, Ian. Useful but I'm in a different context.

It's in a carpark and it's not a safety sign (it's the carpark use Ts&Cs). Wide expanse with painted bay markings. When the carpark's empty it's just a flat tarmacced area. 

What you'd recognise as a footpath is at the end of rows of parking spaces. This happened where cars would have been parked, so not a bona fide footpath.

(Yes, I can hear one of you saying "how on Earth did they not avoid it?!!!" But I have to look at whether it's reasonable to move them. First step: see if there's any relevant standard)   

Stern  
#4 Posted : 02 June 2017 11:29:12(UTC)
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Stern

8ft

Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 02 June 2017 12:05:52(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Too low, or too small?

If these Ts&Cs are enforceable and/or form a contract then they have to be visible. Usual approach is 6x3 aluminium plate on dedicated poles and adjacent to Ticket Machine where installed.

If your sticking something on a single lampost I guess it's too small and open to legal challenge.

safetyamateur  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2017 12:20:33(UTC)
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safetyamateur

We had a nasty facial injury from someone colliding into one so, too low.

Like your style, Stern, but is that anything like a 'standard'?

Stern  
#7 Posted : 02 June 2017 13:00:02(UTC)
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Stern

Originally Posted by: safetyamateur Go to Quoted Post

We had a nasty facial injury from someone colliding into one so, too low.

Like your style, Stern, but is that anything like a 'standard'?

Less a standard, more common sense. 8ft is still clearly visible whilst being high enough that 99.99% of the population shouldn't end up nutting it. Sometimes you can overthink these things...

thanks 1 user thanked Stern for this useful post.
chris42 on 02/06/2017(UTC)
safetyamateur  
#8 Posted : 02 June 2017 13:02:04(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Fair point, Stern. Thanks.

Les  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2017 14:20:38(UTC)
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Les

Safety amateur,

                          There is government guidance on signage height - Traffic signs manual 1:

 ' Where possible the lower edge of the sign should be between 900mm and 1500mm above the highest point of the carriageway alongside. The higher mounting should be used where excessive spray is likely to soil the signs. In built up areas signs may have to be higher for various reasons where they are erected on footways and transverse to them they must obviously allow sufficient clearance for pedestrians: 2100mm is the absolute minimum recommended but 2300mm is preferable.'

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/traffic-signs-manual

safetyamateur  
#10 Posted : 02 June 2017 14:39:50(UTC)
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safetyamateur

Most definititely the kind of things was expecting, Les. Thank you.

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