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GB1977  
#1 Posted : 04 July 2017 08:28:04(UTC)
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GB1977

Hi Everyone

I really need some help from my knowledgable colleagues!

The company I work for has a petrol station. It is something that I know next to nothing about. I could really do with some pointers and possibly example documents if anybody would be willing to point me in the direction of some. It seems there is very little in place so anything at the moment would be a bonus.

Thanks

fscott  
#2 Posted : 04 July 2017 09:40:09(UTC)
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fscott

I don't mean to be blunt but by your own admission you know next to nothing about this area and therefore you aren't a competent person to undertake this work.  The obvious high risk thing for me at a petrol station is the need for a DSEAR assessment and the implications from this - this needs someone with specialist competence and not something I would even think about doing myself.  Get someone in who is competent in this area of industry and work with them so that you learn rather than them just doing everything.

Ron Hunter  
#3 Posted : 04 July 2017 09:46:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

A useful starting point:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/owner-petrol-station.htm

Your friendly local Trading Standards "Petroleum Officer" should be able to help you get up to speed on areas of detail. Why not ask for a meeting or site visit. I'm assuming you're talking about a retail installation?

Alfasev  
#4 Posted : 04 July 2017 09:54:08(UTC)
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Alfasev

I am no expert but have been involved in demolishing them. Are you talking about petrol or just diesel? It makes a huge difference.

Petrol comes under the Petroleum Enforcement Authority (PEA) and a host of regulations due to its highly flammable nature. You will need the help of a specialist.

Diesel does not and the primary concern is COSHH and pollution. It also dissolves tarmac and if spilled makes most surface slippery when wet. You can get it to burn with some effort and it will act as a fuel in a fire but is a much safety to use than petrol.

chris42  
#5 Posted : 04 July 2017 10:10:46(UTC)
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chris42

Further to the above post, Diesel is now considered a flammable substance as the definition changed a while ago (from 55 to 60 degrees C flash point), so you will still need a DSEAR assessment. Agree with the rest.

Chris

MaxPayne  
#6 Posted : 04 July 2017 12:27:55(UTC)
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MaxPayne

I have managed a facility where we had fuel pumps serving the companies vehicle fleet and which comprised on bunded above ground diesel tanks and a 10,000 litre below ground pertrol tank.

There's a lot more to this than simply writing a good set of RAMS (including DSEAR) as staff need to be competent - I'm assuming someone there will be accepting delivery of fuels?  If so they need to be trained and have a SSoW in place.

Don't forget on-going maintenance and inspection - we used to have a situation where the fire fighting equipment was often stolen due to the pumps being on a remote part of the site.  Also internal staff treat the pumps roughly and we'd reguarly have to replace hoses etc. but our facility was quite old.

As posts above have advised if you have pertol you'll have a need for your premises to be licensed.  In my experince the local authority petroleum licencing officer will provide you with some good pointers if you ask.

A Kurdziel  
#7 Posted : 04 July 2017 12:46:18(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Originally Posted by: MaxPayne Go to Quoted Post

I have managed a facility where we had fuel pumps serving the companies vehicle fleet and which comprised on bunded above ground diesel tanks and a 10,000 litre below ground pertrol tank.

There's a lot more to this than simply writing a good set of RAMS (including DSEAR) as staff need to be competent - I'm assuming someone there will be accepting delivery of fuels?  If so they need to be trained and have a SSoW in place.

Don't forget on-going maintenance and inspection - we used to have a situation where the fire fighting equipment was often stolen due to the pumps being on a remote part of the site.  Also internal staff treat the pumps roughly and we'd reguarly have to replace hoses etc. but our facility was quite old.

As posts above have advised if you have pertol you'll have a need for your premises to be licensed.  In my experince the local authority petroleum licencing officer will provide you with some good pointers if you ask.

This is correct except that no your site is no longer licensed but it is certified see http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/owner-petrol-station.htm for more details  

MaxPayne  
#8 Posted : 04 July 2017 12:54:43(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MaxPayne Go to Quoted Post

I have managed a facility where we had fuel pumps serving the companies vehicle fleet and which comprised on bunded above ground diesel tanks and a 10,000 litre below ground pertrol tank.

There's a lot more to this than simply writing a good set of RAMS (including DSEAR) as staff need to be competent - I'm assuming someone there will be accepting delivery of fuels?  If so they need to be trained and have a SSoW in place.

Don't forget on-going maintenance and inspection - we used to have a situation where the fire fighting equipment was often stolen due to the pumps being on a remote part of the site.  Also internal staff treat the pumps roughly and we'd reguarly have to replace hoses etc. but our facility was quite old.

As posts above have advised if you have pertol you'll have a need for your premises to be licensed.  In my experince the local authority petroleum licencing officer will provide you with some good pointers if you ask.

This is correct except that no your site is no longer licensed but it is certified see http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/owner-petrol-station.htm for more details  

It was a while ago.

Adams29600  
#9 Posted : 10 July 2017 13:03:47(UTC)
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Adams29600

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

Further to the above post, Diesel is now considered a flammable substance as the definition changed a while ago (from 55 to 60 degrees C flash point), so you will still need a DSEAR assessment. Agree with the rest.

Chris

Most oil companies produce Diesel/Gas Oil with a spec for flashpoint of >60C so not normally classed as flammable.

chris42  
#10 Posted : 10 July 2017 14:05:00(UTC)
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chris42

Originally Posted by: Adams29600 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

Further to the above post, Diesel is now considered a flammable substance as the definition changed a while ago (from 55 to 60 degrees C flash point), so you will still need a DSEAR assessment. Agree with the rest.

Chris

Most oil companies produce Diesel/Gas Oil with a spec for flashpoint of >60C so not normally classed as flammable.

There may be some, but the couple I have seen have a flash point of 56 Degrees C

also from HSE web site

Under the EU CLP Regulation there are a number of substances that now meet the criteria for classification as flammable which did not do so in the past. This is partly because the upper flashpoint for classification as a flammable liquid has been increased from 55 °C to 60 °C. The changes mean that for example, diesel, gas oil and light heating oils are now classified as flammable liquids. 

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosion/dsear-background.htm

Chris

Stuart Smiles  
#11 Posted : 10 July 2017 18:44:59(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

Have you got contact details for the vendors of the dispensing system and fuel management system as they will have the ability to support you in your requirements analysis, because typically their records would provide part of the system to show how you comply with requirements, additional and new equipment now available or parts for existing system, replacement options for parts of the systems, and most importantly, specifications for equipment currently installed, tanks info etc because they may have been involved and could access some of the initial install records.

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