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chris42  
#1 Posted : 27 July 2017 10:05:01(UTC)
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chris42

Hi All

While stuck in traffic yesterday behind a van which had two stickers on the rear. One was a red diamond with Flammable gas written on it and the other a green diamond with a pictogram of a gas bottle and compressed gas written on it. It made me wonder about another post on hear where I mentioned these.  

Should these now be replaced by the newer CLP signage as for packaging? As I thought the new packaging signage was to bring global harmonisation. Or are the green and red signage from different legislation which has not changed. It’s quite possible I’m getting myself mixed up.

It’s just that I noted quite a few (we should re-label motorways as car parks and some A roads). After a while you read everything you can see including trying to make names up from people’s number plates. At one point, I watched 8 people involved in hand digging a small hole, one working and 7 supervising!). I digress.

Chris

gerrysharpe  
#2 Posted : 27 July 2017 10:32:00(UTC)
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gerrysharpe

Chris, I think the Red and Green signage will stay as you can identify this from afar, wherea the CLP ones will get a bit confusing because they'll look the same from afar

Thats my thoughts

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chris42 on 27/07/2017(UTC)
stuart46  
#3 Posted : 27 July 2017 10:50:12(UTC)
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stuart46

I may be wrong but aren't these signs covered by ADR so would not fall under the golbally harmonised system as per COSHH?

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chris42 on 27/07/2017(UTC)
Hsquared14  
#4 Posted : 27 July 2017 11:24:05(UTC)
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Hsquared14

I think Stuart is right COSHH and labelling of vehicles for transport are two separate issues.

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chris42 on 27/07/2017(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 27 July 2017 11:32:35(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Ok Signage- as some have alluded there is different signage for different roles:

CLP/GHS signs- black and white symbol in red diamond- used to label products supplied to an end user. Intended to warn end user of that the product is hazardous and that they need to take steps to manage it safely

UN transport signs- diamonds in various colours based on the Class of Dangerous Goods being carried. Used under ADR, IATA, and IMO etc regulations and intended to warn the carrier of what they might be carrying and anybody who might come across the package (including the emergency services)

Workplace Safety signs- Triangles under the Safety Signs and Signals regulations providing Health and Safety information about the workplace.

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chris42 on 27/07/2017(UTC)
chris42  
#6 Posted : 27 July 2017 12:19:28(UTC)
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chris42

Probably the exhaust fumes from the stationary vehicles getting to me. Makes sense it is in ADR, but don’t have much to do with that.

So, the correct signage from the other post about gas cages outside is of course general safety signage.

Its nearly the end of the week, thanks all.

Andrew W Walker  
#7 Posted : 28 July 2017 08:19:17(UTC)
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Andrew W Walker

There is no requirement for them to be on the vehicles at all.

Vehicles that are carrying packaged DG's only have to have 'orange plates' at the front and rear of the transport unit- if they are over a certain quantity. Tankers have the diamond warnings on them.

The ones that are normally seen on vans and such like are 100mm x 100mm- these are specifically for packages, not vehicles. The ones on tankers need to be 250mm x 250mm.

An example would be: Van driver has UN1263 (Paint) in 25 litre containers- they are allowwed to have 1,000 litres on the vehicle before they have to put anything on the outside of the vehcile.

A very simplistic look...

Andy

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MEden380  
#8 Posted : 28 July 2017 12:22:20(UTC)
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MEden380

Andrew is correct in that these lables are not required and are actually package lables.

I have been told in the past that Dept of Transport gets anoyed when these lables are displayed on vans as they don't actually help  and can be misleading.

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