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rach108  
#1 Posted : 03 November 2017 10:44:39(UTC)
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rach108

I have seen in the news that there has been a change in regulation, meaning that delivery drivers have a right to use the facilities of shops and offices that they visit.  Can anyone point me to the actual regulation that relates to this?  Is this something that will come into force at a later date?

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/work/delivery-drivers-won-right-use-shop-toilets/

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 03 November 2017 11:40:22(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I have read about this from various sources and I have no idea what they actually mean.  Have they amended (or are they intending to amend the Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare)) regs? Is this some other regulation relating to Road Haulage (I have quickly scanned the latest list of SI and nothing looks like it might relate to this). Have they said that this is their intention and that the law has not yet changed or have they issued some sort of guidance suggesting that is how the current law should be interpreted? Overall as clear as mud.

 

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rach108  
#3 Posted : 03 November 2017 11:44:01(UTC)
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rach108

Yes it isn't clear at all. We have 2 sites. One has loo's in reception and we already let delivery drivers use them, but the other is a secure data centre where giving someone access to loo's would require signing in and an escort from the opposite side of the building if one was available. I'd like to know what the actual line is on this before we start putting things into place. That said, we have only once had someone ask to use the facilities when delivering to this building.

A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 03 November 2017 12:07:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

https://www.rha.uk.net/policy-campaigning/top-industry-issues/truckers-toilets

Had another look before going to get some food- this seems to be about changing the guidance to the workplace regs. But as you say, I can see when it might not be reasonable for an employer to allow delivery drivers to use a toilet on their site for reasons of security let’s say. In fact the most likely sort of place that might be the case is certain government buildings in Whitehall where I can imagine them not exactly encouraging people to drop in to spend a penny!

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johnmurray  
#5 Posted : 06 November 2017 12:25:52(UTC)
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johnmurray

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

https://www.rha.uk.net/policy-campaigning/top-industry-issues/truckers-toilets

Had another look before going to get some food- this seems to be about changing the guidance to the workplace regs. But as you say, I can see when it might not be reasonable for an employer to allow delivery drivers to use a toilet on their site for reasons of security let’s say. In fact the most likely sort of place that might be the case is certain government buildings in Whitehall where I can imagine them not exactly encouraging people to drop in to spend a penny!

On the other hand, truck/delivery drivers are treated quite atrociously.

Trucks park during stops at many places, most with no toilet, no lights and no security.

I know several that are away from home for weeks.....

Letting them use a toilet seems......polite.


A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 06 November 2017 13:21:42(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

There is a lot of talk (from the government and others) but currently little clarity in what is expected.  If you have a site with a toilet conveniently positioned next to the delivery area, then there will not be a problem. But I am currently working at a university and there are a number of drop off points arounds the campus some of which have a toilet but some do not.  For those areas that do not have a toilet,  will the new guidance mean that we have to let unescorted visitors wander about the campus so that they can find a toilet or that we have to spend money installing a toilet at every drop off point or what? We need something firmer that just warm words.

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 06 November 2017 15:59:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

and who looks after the drivers doing primarily domestic deliveries where the Welfare Regulations do not apply?

Perhaps successive governments should not have permitted councils to close what were once known as Public Conveniences

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Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 06 November 2017 15:59:30(UTC)
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Roundtuit

and who looks after the drivers doing primarily domestic deliveries where the Welfare Regulations do not apply?

Perhaps successive governments should not have permitted councils to close what were once known as Public Conveniences

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Jackson43278  
#9 Posted : 06 November 2017 17:38:56(UTC)
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Jackson43278

I dunno what the country is coming to. As a child, laybys haunted by truckers were a place of endless curiosity with bushes stuffed full of naughty magazines but then the internet saw them off, and now it seems the bottles which most definitely are not Tizer are also on the way out. That's some proper British institutions coming to an end there...

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