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J.Hodgetts  
#1 Posted : 07 November 2017 13:58:36(UTC)
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J.Hodgetts

A question that has been raised today that I honestly don't know the answer to and throwing it out there.

If a contractor is working in a large very well kept room where there is an LV switch panel, is a limitation to work permit required?

There will be no work carried out on any part of the electrical system what so ever, nor will they disturb it in any way, shape or form or even go near it.

They are only swapping a smoke detector head on the ceiling and will take less than 5minutes to complete, with no drilling nor disturbing of any other part of the building fabric.

The RAMS provided don't highlight this as a hazardous area and the task its self is fairly risk free apart from working at height of course, which is covered by the P2W system.

I have searched endlessly to find any relevant resources for a definitive answer but drawn a blank, any pointers in the right direction would be very much appreciated.

Brian Campbell  
#2 Posted : 07 November 2017 15:28:18(UTC)
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Brian Campbell

In my opinion a simple work permit is all thats required for this.  If anything the room should be left exactly as its been found, the permit to work is there to ensure someone responsible follows up and checks the area.

johnwatt  
#3 Posted : 07 November 2017 15:50:43(UTC)
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johnwatt

In my experience (I'm an electrical engineer) a Permit to Work would only be issued if they are working on the system. The permit provides an administrative control for the safe isolation etc.

If your contractors only require access then yes you are correct in thinking that this is the purpose of a limitation of access permit/certificate. This would specifiy what the limitation of access is. This isn't always used for LV, mostly HV, it really comes down to your own electrical safety rules. 

http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg372.pdf

See page 4. 

RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 08 November 2017 08:17:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

I agree with the above posts. A PTW is only applied where there are extra risks which need to be controlled - clearly this does not apply to changing a head on a smoke detector. If in any doubt I would have thought it would be easier and make more sense for someone to supervise the work to ensure nothing goes awry. 

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