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graham hendry  
#1 Posted : 22 January 2018 11:47:17(UTC)
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graham hendry

The roof is gently angled, steel corrugated panels fixed to steel framework, perspex skylights, no edge protection, fixed ladder access from the ground.

The roof has not got any harness Anchor Points.

Need to access the roof to carry out repairs to panels, fans and LEV (as and when), remove Seagull eggs (annually) and clean guttering (as and when).

I'm proposing a fixed fence around the perimiter of the roof and galvanised mesh fixed over the skylights but it going to prove expensive. The internal lights are always on so loss of light through the skylights is not significant.

Any suggestions that might come in a bit cheaper?

Woolf13  
#2 Posted : 22 January 2018 13:37:10(UTC)
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Woolf13

HSG 33 is a useful guidance document, which the following is taken from:

A safe place of work, including safe access, should be provided for all roof work. There is a clear hierarchy for all work at height; it helps guide those people planning the work to provide the safest possible work area.

If you cannot avoid roof work and do the work remotely from the ground you should be preventing a fall, in order:

  • Use edge protection (boarded scaffold with guard rails/netting) and suitable safe access onto the roof, e.g. a stair tower.
  • Mobile elevating work platforms (MEWPs) can provide a safe working platform to work from.
  • Use a work-restraint system (e.g. harness with a short lanyard, which means it is impossible for the operative to get to a position where they could fall).

‘Short-duration work’ means tasks that are measured in minutes rather than hours. It includes tasks such as inspection, replacing a few tiles or minor adjustment to a television aerial. It may not be reasonably practicable to install safeguards such as a full independent scaffold or even edge protection for such work, but you will need to provide something in its place. The decision on the precautions to take will depend on an overall assessment of the risks involved. You should consider:

  • duration of the work;
  • complexity of the work;
  • pitch of the roof;
  • condition of the roof;
  • type of roofing material (slate or tile);
  • weather conditions;
  • risk to those putting up edge protection; and
  • risk to other workers and the public.

The minimum requirements for short-duration work on a roof are:

  • a safe means of access to the roof level; and
  • safe means of working on the roof, eg: on a sloping roof, a properly constructed and supported roof ladder; or ––
  • on a flat roof without edge protection, a harness with a sufficiently short ––lanyard, attached to a secured anchorage, that it prevents the wearer from reaching a position from which they could fall.

Mobile access equipment or proprietary access systems can provide a suitable working platform in some situations and can be particularly appropriate for short-duration minor work. Where this is not practicable, then work restraint or fall-arrest systems could be considered.

When using fall-protection systems for short-duration roof work, fall protection equipment (used as work restraint) is preferable to fall arrest, as it prevents people falling by physically restricting their movement
to a safe area. It should not be possible to reach any unprotected edge, hole or fragile material when relying on this type of system.

Fall arrest is not the same as work restraint. Fall arrest relies on minimising injury once a fall has occurred. In both cases, seek specialist advice on anchorage points from the equipment supplier. Supervision and training are needed to make sure that the system of work adopted is understood by all and is maintained. A rescue plan is also necessary in the event that someone should fall.

Harnesses need to be suitable for the individual, who should be trained to fit and use them. They only protect someone when they are properly fitted and only while they are attached to a suitable anchorage point. There must be enough clear space below the work position to allow the fall to be arrested safely. They are not and should not be used as an easy option.

Remember PPE is always the last resort and you must be able to demonstrate through risk assessment that there was no other alternative for example Scaffold/MEWP due to cost/time/effort.

I hope this helps? All the best.


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graham hendry on 22/01/2018(UTC)
Hsquared14  
#3 Posted : 22 January 2018 14:05:02(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Can't really add anything to Woolf's response other than to say that safety harnesses are not the be all and end all of safety in roof work, they are one element of a control strategy and come with their own risks and requirements for safe use.  Could I also add that you state you remove seagull eggs and I wonder if you have a licence to do this?  Disturbing nesting birds, even seagulls is not allowed unless you have a valid reason to do so and a licence from DEFRA.  

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wild-birds-protection-surveys-and-licences

Alfasev  
#4 Posted : 22 January 2018 14:14:53(UTC)
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Alfasev

It is difficult to comment without actually seeing it but have you considered a high reach MEWP from someone like Facelift. 

graham hendry  
#5 Posted : 22 January 2018 14:45:41(UTC)
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graham hendry

Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Can't really add anything to Woolf's response other than to say that safety harnesses are not the be all and end all of safety in roof work, they are one element of a control strategy and come with their own risks and requirements for safe use.  Could I also add that you state you remove seagull eggs and I wonder if you have a licence to do this?  Disturbing nesting birds, even seagulls is not allowed unless you have a valid reason to do so and a licence from DEFRA.  

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wild-birds-protection-surveys-and-licences

I'd prefer not to be dependant on the safety harness and I'm not even sure if fitting multiple Anchor Points or wires would be much cheaper

Eggs are removed under licence (it's Scots Law which may be more relaxed the English & Welsh Law)

graham hendry  
#6 Posted : 22 January 2018 14:49:22(UTC)
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graham hendry

Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Can't really add anything to Woolf's response other than to say that safety harnesses are not the be all and end all of safety in roof work, they are one element of a control strategy and come with their own risks and requirements for safe use.  Could I also add that you state you remove seagull eggs and I wonder if you have a licence to do this?  Disturbing nesting birds, even seagulls is not allowed unless you have a valid reason to do so and a licence from DEFRA.  

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/wild-birds-protection-surveys-and-licences

I'd prefer not to be dependant on the safety harness and I'm not even sure if fitting multiple Anchor Points or wires would be much cheaper

Eggs are removed under licence (it's Scots Law which may be more relaxed the English & Welsh Law)

Hsquared14  
#7 Posted : 22 January 2018 14:57:28(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Glad to hear you have a licence for the egg removal.  DEFRA in England are loathe to issue licences even for seagulls which can be a dreadful problem resulting in contamination by the droppings and attacks on people.  We have just had to have a dead one removed from our roof gulley, it had blocked the down pipe and was causing rain water to spill over into the warehouse.  It wasn't a pleasant job due to the level of decomposition!!!  Access to the gulley was by cherrypicker, the basket of which fits neatly into the gulley so preventing someone from steeping off the edge,  then we have a manway system to limit access and reach across the roof, so you can't walk the length of the gulley and step off the other end.  It was purpose built like that and it is harder to install protection on existing structures so I suppose I am lucky that our risks are easy to manage in that way!  Good luck with developing your safety strategy.

Charlie Brown  
#8 Posted : 23 January 2018 01:26:26(UTC)
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Charlie Brown

Hi Graham, without being there to see exactly what you have as far as a roof goes (or in fact, access to it) it is a bit hard to make any recomendation but it could be worth getting one of the companies that hire out MEWPs to give you a survey. There are boom lifts that can do incredible things these days and I know for a fact that one national company that paints it's machines blue do surveys for free.

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Kate on 23/01/2018(UTC)
graham hendry  
#9 Posted : 23 January 2018 13:05:04(UTC)
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graham hendry

Originally Posted by: Charlie Brown Go to Quoted Post

Hi Graham, without being there to see exactly what you have as far as a roof goes (or in fact, access to it) it is a bit hard to make any recomendation but it could be worth getting one of the companies that hire out MEWPs to give you a survey. There are boom lifts that can do incredible things these days and I know for a fact that one national company that paints it's machines blue do surveys for free.


Got a price of £575+vat from a CAA Licensed Drone operator to take HD pictures of the roof. My thoughts are, identify all the roof problems and follow a proactive maintenance plan. The Drone means one less physical visit to the roof too.
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