This is often done in yellow.  But you need text or signs to indicate what the cross-hatching means.  As you mention, visibility is important.  Colours other than white and yellow are pretty much ruled out for that reason. 

Thanks Kate and Hsquared14. Yes, I agree as there is no standard I was aware of, others would also not know what it means and I will need to add some text. I hope that a very bright red may stand out. (or mix the two and use orange)

However, I’m also having second thoughts as after my post yesterday I was out and about all day looking at what others do or actually what they don’t do. I have a problem area where visitors to our premises are just walking through our roller shutter doors frequently used by vehicles. We have a chain to go across the doorway, but due to its frequent use often is not put back. In addition to this our own employees use this for access and egress. There is a pedestrian door in poor state which is being sorted as of today, but it will still be easier to just walk through the big opening. The other thing is our work piece sometimes needs to stick out through the roller door and the employees work on it. Obviously, no traffic can go through in this scenario which obviously puts it in a safe condition from vehicle movement.

It is going to be quite a challenge with employees, but even more so with visitors. However, on my travels yesterday of several industrial estates, large and small companies, I did not witness the use of cross hatched boxes for this purpose at all.

Obviously more thought on my part required.

Thanks

Chris

Thanks David, Yes, we do have visitor reception but that is further away and around a corner. We have signs for both reception and vehicles movement but seem to be ignored. Problem is in this day and age too many signs which are all necessary and people become blind to them generally. However, in my review I am looking at this. Our intention is now to mark our yard area, so a pathway is marked right through the centre of it. That way they are more likely to see and be seen buy either a vehicle coming through the gate or a vehicle / work exiting the building. This will lead them to reception, with the words reception painted on the path with an arrow or walking person symbol.

I’m thinking the grid may be a plan B (or is it plan E by now)

I admit I like this type of H&S issue, a certain level of creativity, investigation and thought required.

Cheers

Chris

I guess a simple PIR proximity sensor would activate it, but I suspect the interesting part would be ensuring it stops at the end of its travel ( up and down – perhaps limit switches) and does not come down onto a person (who are naughtily walking through the roller door opening).

However, we also on occasion have to have the work item ½ out the door. Looking to get out of old building but will be a year or two before new one is built. 

I have noted some smaller unit factories only have the roller door for access and egress. So much for separating pedestrians and vehicles.

Chris

Originally Posted by: AL58

WE have the same issue here our pedestrian access is to one side of the shutter door which is signed to say no pedsestrian access which most people put their  hand on to help them through the shutter door .

Our trucks all give one blast on the hooter wehn passing through & all our guys are now programmed to shout to any offenders & tell them to use the the correct entrance .

As I said we have enough signage up about access / fork trucks etc etc but it just seems the lure of a big open door is to much to resist & I suspect many people have become sign blind in this day & age of the sign.

WE have sent fliers out to most of our regular delivery companies explaining the etiquette on our site & how we expect any of their drivers to behave regarding amongs other things entering our building . But it has made little to no difference .

So we will continue with our chosen method of all our staff members training visitors as & when they see an offence  being commited which seems to work best 

It will be interesting to hear how you get on with your markings method 

:o)    Love the part about leaning on the sign, that sounds about right for here also.

Now how exactly do you program employees and is it legal? Does it involve spinning black and white wheels, Shiny pendulum on the end of a small chain, Subliminal messages on the TV / computer, Electric prods or have you found a way to actually plug them into a computer ( I think ours may have a windows operating system, hence why they don’t work as required and constant need for updates which appear to make things worse).

A trick I have used in the past was to extend some hard barriers outside thus making the pedestrian route the shortest route to use as they would have to walk all the way around the barrier, therefore the easiest. Sadly, I can’t do that in this instance

Plan of action so far is: painting / renewing walk route lines, brand new retractable tape barriers with appropriate wording. I hope at least the tape barrier will put visitors off (ok possibly wishful thinking as I watched a visitor already inside exit by undoing the plastic chain and doing it back up after them, which is currently better than our employees who would just leave it on the floor)

Plan B is as above and to paint the grid on the floor outside again with appropriate wording.

Chris

Thanks Stuart  

Yes, I have gone through HSG136 a few times before starting the thread, and as you say it makes reference to using raised curbs and barriers where possible. But that is the important part “where possible”, it isn’t always possible and this is the situation I have, and the only option I have is to direct people to walk directly through the middle of the yard, so as to both keep them away from the entrance gate and the roller doors in question and provides the greatest visibility. The site is at least 60 years old and traffic flow as you get at a lot of older places, is pants. I’m stuck with it for the next year or two while a new building is built. However, for the moment the parking area for trucks etc is one end of the yard and reception the other with a gate on one side and the roller door on the other. The parking area cannot be moved or reception. My main problem though is not this more people entering via the roller door “because it is easier”

So, the issue is as noted while walking through the yard the temptation to duck in to the building by visiting drivers seems too much to resist. Hence, I wondered if may be appropriate to mark a pedestrian exclusion zone. Yes, we do mark our drains red and blue so am aware of not wanting to turn our yard into a Jackson Pollok painting if I can help it. Yes, I also consider Green to mean safety and good to go ie fire signage, so not a green grid. Signs and markings only go so far, but again we will be putting up a stop and give way sign for the incoming vehicles, plus a reverse parking diagram sign, which should allow the vehicle to mostly face the pedestrians. Banksman training will be given to our employees.

So, the only issue is, should I or shouldn’t I put a red hatched box stating no pedestrians within say 2m of the front of the roller door. I also wondered about light blue hatched box as blue normally means mandatory so if coupled with the words no pedestrians. Just wondered if there was a standard colour.

Cheers

Chris

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