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thunderchild  
#1 Posted : 17 April 2018 12:33:27(UTC)
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thunderchild

Right, we have a 100% safety glasses policy on our shop floor. If your in the live environment (not going to the loo or break) you have you wear safety specs.

One of our operatives is complaining that he is getting headaches from wearing safeyt specs when on the shop floor and having to use a VDU in the area. Now, personally I think its a "don't want to wear them issue" as he has expressed attitude over the rule. I have spoken to him on 3 occasions and not once has he mentioned headaches. Now, he states he has no issues with his eyesight and was given a clean bill on that front by his optitian. 

We are going to try tinted leses as an option. Does anyone have any alternatives? other than getting safety glasses from the likes of SpecSavers with just plain lenses I am unsure where to go with this.

I don't want to introduce a specific rule for him as it will send the message out that if you kick up enough fuss we will relax the rules for you which just leads us down a road where every rule will be pushed.

Don't get me wrong I want to find him a solution, everyone I have had issues with over the safety glasses I have worked with and we have found the answer but I feel no matter what solution we find he will say it does not work for him.

Any suggestions greatly welcomed.

Hsquared14  
#2 Posted : 17 April 2018 12:44:53(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Can you define what you mean by "safety specs" a bit more?  If you mean the el cheapo ones that you can get for a £1 or so then the lenses are unlikely to be optically pure and if you have people looking at a DSE screen in them then headaches are going to be inevitable.  If you want people to wear them and be able to use a DSE screen then you need glasses with optically perfect lenses with no distortion or reflection or you are setting yourself and them up for a world of problems.  

thunderchild  
#3 Posted : 17 April 2018 12:50:27(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: Hsquared14 Go to Quoted Post

Can you define what you mean by "safety specs" a bit more?  If you mean the el cheapo ones that you can get for a £1 or so then the lenses are unlikely to be optically pure and if you have people looking at a DSE screen in them then headaches are going to be inevitable.  If you want people to wear them and be able to use a DSE screen then you need glasses with optically perfect lenses with no distortion or reflection or you are setting yourself and them up for a world of problems.  

Well they're not £1 glasses they are a bit more than that but they arenot the most expensive either. I have found some nice Bolle ones. Stupid question but how do I know if they are optically pure??? That sounds like the answer I am looking for.

achrn  
#4 Posted : 17 April 2018 13:04:18(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: thunderchild Go to Quoted Post

Well they're not £1 glasses they are a bit more than that but they arenot the most expensive either. I have found some nice Bolle ones. Stupid question but how do I know if they are optically pure??? That sounds like the answer I am looking for.


'Optically pure' sounds like nonsense to me.

EN166 safety glasses lenses should be marked with their performance, eg '1FT', the first digit is the optical class, 1 is the best (refractive power of +/- 0.06 dioptre) and are specified in the standard as suitable for continuous wear.  Second character, eg 'F' is mechanical strength, subsequent characters are additional features eg T 'extreme tremperature range').

I'll be astonished if a pair pof Bolle glasses are not class 1 optical clarity.

thunderchild  
#5 Posted : 17 April 2018 13:08:43(UTC)
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thunderchild

Poop, the ones we have are class 1 optically. so that puts that one out.

chris42  
#6 Posted : 17 April 2018 13:14:48(UTC)
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chris42

achrn beat me to it , but anyway

Lens impact type markings ( ie EN 166 B = Medium)                                  

S          Increased robustness              (toughened glass and thickened CR39)

F          Low energy impact                 (polycarbonate and Trivex)

B          Medium energy impact                      

A          High energy impact               

9          Non-adherence of molten metal and resistance to penetration of hot solids                       

K          Resistance to damage by fine particles                    

N         Non-fogging properties                      

T          High speed particles at extremes of temperature                 

                                   

Areas of use ( Frame)                       

3          Liquids and chemical             

4          Large dust particles               

5          Gas and fine dust particles                

8          Short circuit electrical arc                  

9          Molten metals and hot solids             

                                   

Optical class                          

1          Continuous use                      

2          Intermittent use                      

3          Occasional use ( but must not be used continuously)                      

                                   

                                   

Note 1 - Safety glasses have side shields.               

Note 2 - Lenses will be marked with manufacturers mark, followed by optical class then impact grade                

Note 3 - Frames will have the standard EN166,  and -F if they claim it meets low energy impact plus the CE mark.              

Note 4 - Optical class for lenses 1 to 3 where 1 is the best              

Note 5 -  Complete unit marking say goggles will be marked EN166 1.B.3.4.9 - means optical 1,medium energy, for use for liquids, large dust and molten metal.                  

Note 6 - Goggles have a tendency to fog up easily, so trials may be appropriate ( and cheapest is normally not cost effective)

However as you have said you have class 1,  when they site at the computer with the safety glasses on is there any reflections form lights etc ( site there any try it yourself). Otherwise they claim there is nothing rong with their eyes then tell them to go to the doctors , but keep using the glasses. I have come accross these people before. sometime hard to establish if real or just whinging.

thunderchild  
#7 Posted : 17 April 2018 13:22:15(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: chris42 Go to Quoted Post

However as you have said you have class 1,  when they site at the computer with the safety glasses on is there any reflections form lights etc ( site there any try it yourself). Otherwise they claim there is nothing rong with their eyes then tell them to go to the doctors , but keep using the glasses. I have come accross these people before. sometime hard to establish if real or just whinging.

I would sit at the screen but that a moot point as I have prescription safety glasses. We are going to try tinted to see if that makes a difference. I am unsure when he last had an eye test so will try to establish that but I fear it is the whining. I have managed to win everyone else with issues around but fear I have a challenge on my hands with this one.
Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 17 April 2018 15:23:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

If they are a DSE user wouldn't you have a record of their eye test since you are expected to pay for it (and likely every two years after the initial examination)?

If you have never paid for an eye-test start from that perspective with a reputable provider to confirm what you are being told - typicallly the general public are only assessed for reading/driving/general vision all of which may be perfectly "normal".

Also consider if anything has changed - display screen station relocated or new light fittings installed - got caught by this one when we switched out existing lighting units for LED's

Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 17 April 2018 15:23:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

If they are a DSE user wouldn't you have a record of their eye test since you are expected to pay for it (and likely every two years after the initial examination)?

If you have never paid for an eye-test start from that perspective with a reputable provider to confirm what you are being told - typicallly the general public are only assessed for reading/driving/general vision all of which may be perfectly "normal".

Also consider if anything has changed - display screen station relocated or new light fittings installed - got caught by this one when we switched out existing lighting units for LED's

Bigmac1  
#10 Posted : 17 April 2018 19:41:31(UTC)
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Bigmac1

Have you done a DSE assessment?

thunderchild  
#11 Posted : 18 April 2018 05:47:16(UTC)
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thunderchild

I have been told the the business does not pay for eye tests, I will need to go tell HR that's not right so we have no record. Now he says h's been for one and had no issues but I don't know when that was. I have asked his manager to find out.

I doubt a DSE assessment has been carried out, again I have asked hi manager but got no response so I'll send him the assessment myself.

I did pass him as I was leaving work last night and he was "effing and jeffing" to a colleagie his utter disgust about the whole situation. I am sure purely for my benifit. Wait till I get his MP3 player banned ;-)

Kate  
#12 Posted : 18 April 2018 07:06:48(UTC)
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Kate

Bear in mind that if the use of the DSE is only intermittent, they may not meet the legal definition of DSE users and so the requirements of the DSE Regs such as eye tests may not apply.  HSE interprets 'DSE users' as 'Workers who use DSE daily, for an hour or more at a time'.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/msd/dse/index.htm

thunderchild  
#13 Posted : 18 April 2018 07:47:53(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: Kate Go to Quoted Post

Bear in mind that if the use of the DSE is only intermittent, they may not meet the legal definition of DSE users and so the requirements of the DSE Regs such as eye tests may not apply.  HSE interprets 'DSE users' as 'Workers who use DSE daily, for an hour or more at a time'.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/msd/dse/index.htm

Oh he's definatley a DSE user. He works in inspection measuring parts all day using a computerised sysytem.

A Kurdziel  
#14 Posted : 18 April 2018 08:26:27(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Is it absolutely necessary that he wear his glasses at the PC?  This is the problem with blanket PPE policies- you can’t make exceptions. I had a similar problem at a previous workplace where they had a blanket eye protection in all labs policy. Unfortunately nearly half the labs were just instrument based with no wet chemistry, and people spending their time analysing results in the PC. I just replaced the blanket ban with a risk assessment based policy. You might not be able to do that as you have been enforcing the blanket policy. You might also not trust your guys to wear their eyeprotection in the areas where they need to.

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thunderchild  
#15 Posted : 18 April 2018 08:33:01(UTC)
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thunderchild

Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Is it absolutely necessary that he wear his glasses at the PC?  This is the problem with blanket PPE policies- you can’t make exceptions. I had a similar problem at a previous workplace where they had a blanket eye protection in all labs policy. Unfortunately nearly half the labs were just instrument based with no wet chemistry, and people spending their time analysing results in the PC. I just replaced the blanket ban with a risk assessment based policy. You might not be able to do that as you have been enforcing the blanket policy. You might also not trust your guys to wear their eyeprotection in the areas where they need to.

If I am 100% honest at the moment it is low risk but we are ramping up production and there will be rivit guns etc working all around him soon so I want him in the habbit of wearing them now rather than when he is at greater risk.

I also agree if he stops wearing them on one are of the shop floor he wont put them on to go elsewhere. He is the only one who is resisting to such an extent. Everyone else I have had issues with we have sorted out and they are quote happy to wear them.

A Kurdziel  
#16 Posted : 18 April 2018 08:54:34(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Originally Posted by: thunderchild Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel Go to Quoted Post

Is it absolutely necessary that he wear his glasses at the PC?  This is the problem with blanket PPE policies- you can’t make exceptions. I had a similar problem at a previous workplace where they had a blanket eye protection in all labs policy. Unfortunately nearly half the labs were just instrument based with no wet chemistry, and people spending their time analysing results in the PC. I just replaced the blanket ban with a risk assessment based policy. You might not be able to do that as you have been enforcing the blanket policy. You might also not trust your guys to wear their eyeprotection in the areas where they need to.

You have my sympathy but I am not sure what to do next-good luck

If I am 100% honest at the moment it is low risk but we are ramping up production and there will be rivit guns etc working all around him soon so I want him in the habbit of wearing them now rather than when he is at greater risk.

I also agree if he stops wearing them on one are of the shop floor he wont put them on to go elsewhere. He is the only one who is resisting to such an extent. Everyone else I have had issues with we have sorted out and they are quote happy to wear them.



Hsquared14  
#17 Posted : 18 April 2018 09:08:43(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thunderchild Go to Quoted Post

Well they're not £1 glasses they are a bit more than that but they arenot the most expensive either. I have found some nice Bolle ones. Stupid question but how do I know if they are optically pure??? That sounds like the answer I am looking for.


'Optically pure' sounds like nonsense to me.

Achrn - I didn't want to blind the guy with science straight off - optically pure or optically perfect is what we called it back in the day!!  The thing that annoys me about blanket use of things like eye protection is that people will insist on buying really cheap overspec type glasses which have loads of distortion and then expect people to be comfortable wearing them all day.  Doesn't sound like that is the case here.  So I would endorse the message from other people to do a proper DSE assessment and get a policy in place for eye testing.

EN166 safety glasses lenses should be marked with their performance, eg '1FT', the first digit is the optical class, 1 is the best (refractive power of +/- 0.06 dioptre) and are specified in the standard as suitable for continuous wear.  Second character, eg 'F' is mechanical strength, subsequent characters are additional features eg T 'extreme tremperature range').

I'll be astonished if a pair pof Bolle glasses are not class 1 optical clarity.


John J  
#18 Posted : 18 April 2018 14:05:36(UTC)
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John J

If I am 100% honest at the moment it is low risk but we are ramping up production and there will be rivit guns etc working all around him soon so I want him in the habbit of wearing them now rather than when he is at greater risk.

I also agree if he stops wearing them on one are of the shop floor he wont put them on to go elsewhere. He is the only one who is resisting to such an extent. Everyone else I have had issues with we have sorted out and they are quote happy to wear them.

I can't see the reason to require an inspector to wear safety glasses. I accept that moving around the workplace may require them but inspection should be a low risk activity and distortion from most types of common safety glasses may compromise quality.

I also don't understand why you would introduce a process that could result in material being ejected into your inspection area?! This has to affect quality (and shred the inspectors nerves if hes trying to dodge flying objects.

In short I would (and have) designate an area not requiring eye protection, for inspection purposes, and take appropriate action for non compliance out of this area.

Roundtuit  
#19 Posted : 18 April 2018 15:47:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

so we are to introduce a high risk activity resulting in the blanket policy affecting a low risk activity

can the inspection process be moved to a more suitable location e.g. behind a door that could bear a huge mandatory eye protection required beyond this point?

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Roundtuit  
#20 Posted : 18 April 2018 15:47:40(UTC)
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Roundtuit

so we are to introduce a high risk activity resulting in the blanket policy affecting a low risk activity

can the inspection process be moved to a more suitable location e.g. behind a door that could bear a huge mandatory eye protection required beyond this point?

thanks 2 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
A Kurdziel on 19/04/2018(UTC), A Kurdziel on 19/04/2018(UTC)
Stuart Smiles  
#21 Posted : 18 April 2018 15:56:14(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

bolle can make prescription and clear safety glasses. have a look at the catalogue on their website, spoke to the rep at she expo last year in london, specsavers also do clear safety glasses for prescription and non-presecription uses too, so just take him/her to the opticians and get him to pick some special one-off safety glasses for them. done

Edited by user 19 April 2018 12:33:27(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

thunderchild  
#22 Posted : 19 April 2018 07:11:10(UTC)
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thunderchild

This is just the mess I have inherited! I was not the one who instigated the blanket eyewear rule, I just get the job of enforcing it and dealing with the fallout.

The inspectors need to ispect the builds in place, sometimes station by station. Currently the build is low so is the risk but we will be ramping up as will the risk.

He's trying yellow tints to see if this helps.

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