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Wondering if someone could help?
We were rnning a fresh air coaching course today whereby an outside company took staff out of the work ground to undertake life coaching skills in the fresh air. During this time an individual tripped and fell resulting in a trip to hospital and stictches to head.
My question is do I treat this as a workplace accident?
Thnaks
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SWilson, if the accident happened during a work activity then it should be treated as a work related accident. Nic
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Well, I think that would very much depend on what they tripped on
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Hi,
What they tripped on doesnt really have much relevence as it was outside of the workplace grounds on a country pathway. My query is whether is would still be classed as a workplace accident as during working time
Thanks,
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Originally Posted by: swilson1@companieshouse.gov.uk  Hi,
What they tripped on doesnt really have much relevence as it was outside of the workplace grounds on a country pathway. My query is whether is would still be classed as a workplace accident as during working time
Thanks,
Sorry, but of course it's relevant, what do you mean? If it was related to a work activity, then it's work related. Bieng on work grounds does not automatically mean it is work related.
To take it back to basics - I'm at my desk just now. If i get up to carry equipment to the other side of the building, and I'm an IT engineer, then that's work related. If i get up to make myself a cup of coffee and trip over my feet, then it's not, regardless of the fact I'm in my workplae. If I trip over poorly maintained carpet, or a newly washed floor with no warning singnge, then it is.
If I'm doing an outside learning module and I trip over my own feet, it's not work related. If I am going into an area that has unsuitable surfaces and I hae not picked this up in a risk assessment, then it is work related.
So, yeah, it's relevant.
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Ok, I very much appreciate your help but Im well aware of when an accident at work is classed as a workplace injury.
My question is in regards to a scenario which is very much out of the norm as the IP was on a fresh air coaching session which is taken out of our control as to where they go etc but is still in working time.
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I’m trying to understand why this question is being asked... is this in relation to RIDDOR? If so it’s not a specified injury or an over 7 day unless the individual has been off for over 7 days so it doesn’t really matter if it’s work related or not at this point in time. However my personal view is (taking it back to basis and the meaning of work related).
1. Did the incident occur based on the way in which the work was carried out? No
2. Did machinery plant, equipment substances contribute to the incident? No
3. Did the condition of the site or premises contribute to the incident? Yes however it’s outside of your control on a country lane which you would expect to pose trip hazards, however, it would be good to know what they actually tripped on a curb, branch etc. I’m assuming this individual whilst he may be on a coaching session this isn’t part of his actual day to day role?
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Originally Posted by: swilson1@companieshouse.gov.uk Wondering if someone could help?
We were rnning a fresh air coaching course today whereby an outside company took staff out of the work ground to undertake life coaching skills in the fresh air. During this time an individual tripped and fell resulting in a trip to hospital and stictches to head.
My question is do I treat this as a workplace accident?
Thnaks
...and the answer is - it depends what they tripped on and what they were doing. But I'll leave you to it, as you clearly already know the answer.
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I firmly believe this is a work related incident. As had the employer not put the person on the course they wouldn't be there.
The OP hasn't mentioned RIDDOR as the title of the post is "work related accident" so based on that then being a delegate on a training course provided by your employer makes you "at work" on the course regardless of your trade/profession.
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As has already been mentioned, whether or not this is work related (for the purposes of RIDDOR) doesn't really matter at this point as it would only become RIDDOR reportable after 7 days of sickness absence (as the injuries sustained weren't of the "specified" variety).
That said, if you're only asking in regard to your in-house statistics, then - once again - it would depend on circumstances, which to be fair we're not fully aware of from your post. Was the Risk Assessment for the activity being followed when the incident occurred ? Was the risk assessment (as provided by the "outside company") signed off as suitable for the activities concerned before the event took place ?
For example, if the instructor allowed the delegates to wear unsuitable footwear, and that contributed to the incident, then yes, it could be argued that it was "work related". However, if the person had the accident because they'd gone "off piste" to chase a squirrel (for example), then it would likely be "a frolic of their own volition", and I wouldn't deem it to be work related.
In other words, your accident investigation conclusion (and only when in full possession of the facts) should lead you to a decision as to whether or not the incident is actually work related or not.
Edited by user 10 May 2018 15:52:03(UTC)
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