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We are an office of working-age people all as typically fit as the typical working population. We work normal office hours. My latest batch of fire-wardens have just come back from the refresher course having been told that we need to carry out a daily inspection of each emergency lighting unit and record that inspection in writing. So that's a written record of having looked at each little green light every single (working) day. (This after the previous batch came back saying every single member of staff needed to have hands-on practical fire extinguisher training.) This seems excessive to me, but before I completely dismiss it - is everyone recording every little green light in writing every single day? The justification for this is BS EN 50172:2004 BS 5266-8:2004 Emergency Escape Lighting Systems Cl 7.2 gives the daily test and inspection of emergency lights as “Indicators of central power supply shall be visually inspected for correct operation. Note this is a visual inspection of indicators to identify that the system is in a ready condition and does not require a test of operation”. Clause 6.3 log book (reporting) requires the “Date of each periodic inspection and test”, so given that the daily inspection is an inspection and is periodic (daily) that would imply that it needs writing down daily. Otherwise, we do a weekly sounder test and fire exit route and door check that is logged in writing, and a monthly function test of every unit with a fish key which is also logged. Office managers are charged with noticing and actioning stuff, and I certainly look for green lights (and clear exit routes, and shut foire doors and so on) as I walk round the building, but I don't make a point of going looking for each green light every day, and I don't write down that I've seen green lights.
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I would consider changing your training provider !
There IS a daily inspection requirement, but this check only applies to emergency lighting systems with a central back-up battery system (or generator) and isn't common (but is what you've quoted in your OP). As you've stated, this type of system requires "a daily visual inspection of indicators on the central power supply to identify that the system is operational. No test of operation is required". NOTE: This test does not apply to emergency lighting with self-contained back-up batteries in each unit (ie standard emergency lighting).
The standard monthly test and record is fine (although we happen to do a weekly check of our luminaires as a belt and braces approach)
Edited by user 07 June 2018 13:02:34(UTC)
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What is it with people who deliver fire warden training! I think everybody has come across someone who massively oversteps the mark and starts telling staff that you MUST do this and if you don’t the “powers that be” will get you. One of them threatened to report us to the local fire authority because we did not keep a register of who was on site (it was a government site with nearly 1000 people coming and going). I told him that a) the fire arrangements was our responsibility not his and b) that we came under the Crown Fire safety inspectorate not the local brigade and c) his services were no longer required.
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Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel  What is it with people who deliver fire warden training! I think everybody has come across someone who massively oversteps the mark and starts telling staff that you MUST do this and if you don’t the “powers that be” will get you. One of them threatened to report us to the local fire authority because we did not keep a register of who was on site (it was a government site with nearly 1000 people coming and going). I told him that a) the fire arrangements was our responsibility not his and b) that we came under the Crown Fire safety inspectorate not the local brigade and c) his services were no longer required.
And its not just Trainers A Kurdziel We have multiple firefighting lifts in a very large office, which we use for evacuating disabled staff. Some of the lifts discharge to a floor where there are a few external steps between the final exit and pavement level, so we have half a dozen evac chairs to get staff down those few pesky steps! Every year when the Evac Chair maintenence engineer calls, he makes comments that 6 evac chairs isnt enough when there are 10 staircases calling at a total of 140 floors (cumatively) . He says to staff that it is dangerous, should be reported and someone will die unless we buy dozens more (of his) chairs. I have written to his company three times and asked that his comments (both verbal and written) are restricted to maintenance issues as he has no knowledge of our evac strategy. Last year, Mr Gobby was been at it again. I cannot have staff confidence in the chairs and evac systems undermined in this way - or indeed my competence. So he and his company are history. With around 30 buildings to visit, they have lost out on business - for failing to control this member of staff.
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I've just had a similar experience with fire doors. The people who built our place went a bit slap happy with fire doors. Every single door in the place is a 1hr fire door and is signed as a fire door but in fact we have only about 10 doors which need to be designated as fire doors and those ones are 2.5 hr doors!
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Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel  What is it with people who deliver fire warden training! I think everybody has come across someone who massively oversteps the mark and starts telling staff that you MUST do this and if you don’t the “powers that be” will get you. The trouble is, I'm not quite completely convinced the failure is with the trainer rather than with the trainee having misunderstood or exagerated what their told.
There clearly is some gold-plating by some people. I've been told stuff myself by profesional advisers with which I disagree, and for which I can't actually find any requirement. However, I'm cautious to cut off a training contract where I don't know for certain where the failing lies.
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If trainees come back with incorrect information, then either they have been told the incorrect information or they have been told correct information in a confusing way.
Either way that isn't successful training.
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I believe that daily checks are contained within BS5266-1 and as already mentioned:
- Visually check that all maintained lamps are operating at that all system healthy indicators on Central Power Supply Systems (Central Battery Systems) are illuminated.
- Check that any system fault recorded is given urgent attention and record all corrective actions in the log book provided. Therefore delegates may be being informed of this on their course but (as again already mentioned) interpreted as "daily checks". This maybe due to delegates not knowing what power system supplies the building emergency lighting - which I beleieve to be the issue in this case.
Check that any system fault recorded is given urgent attention and record all
corrective actions in the log book provided.
illuminated.
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