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I contract to a FM company and we sometimes have our engineers on bigger sites. I recently had to visit an engr in Reading, we were installing the AC system into the building.
I received the induction onto site and was then informed that it was a 5 point PPE site. Even though I was conducting no construction work of any description. I attended site to look at the engrs workspace and paperwork check, yet I was subject to the 5point system. So to go and basicaly chat to the engr I had Hat hat, safety boots, hi viz jacket, eye protection and gloves.
I try and avoid construction sites if I can because of the normaly stroppy blokes there who will argue over anything H&S related for fun.
But I was on the understanding that PPE was a last resort after all other control measures had been put in place. This company, I won't name them have a blanket policy that all of their sites are controlled in this way. If you get caught flounting the rules you get a yellow card, second offence results in a red card and no further entry to that site.
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I have been in the same position as you, i also had to take photographs on the work done so far but i cant take photos with the gloves on so each time i take a photo i remove one glove leaving myself open for a yellow card!
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I feel your pain, some of the bigger sites have, and I hate to say it, some proper H&S nazis. No flexibility or allowance. They are pressured from above and those above aren't always the best placed to influence H&S issues.
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I half agree and half disagree - I wouldn't dream of accessing a construction site without safety shoes, hard hat and hi-vis just for my own protection. Depending on the work going on around you I think eye protection and gloves are a good idea too. If you can't work your camera wearing gloves then you need different gloves, there are types out there that allow you to do fine work but also offer a suitable level of protection for "casual" interaction with tools, equipment and fixtures and fittings on site.
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I have no issue with the fotwaer, hi viz and hard hat. But when the level of glove they specify is the same for the tradesmen as it is for me then it becomes a bit of an issue.
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Originally Posted by: Hsquared14  I half agree and half disagree - I wouldn't dream of accessing a construction site without safety shoes, hard hat and hi-vis just for my own protection. Depending on the work going on around you I think eye protection and gloves are a good idea too. If you can't work your camera wearing gloves then you need different gloves, there are types out there that allow you to do fine work but also offer a suitable level of protection for "casual" interaction with tools, equipment and fixtures and fittings on site.
Except that we have a number of clients that mandate that the gloves worn be 'cut 5' (ie category 5 cut resistance to EN388). If you know of a glove that meets this requirement but still provides the dexterity nmecesary to work the fiddly buttons on a digital camera, I'd be very glad to have teh details. None of our people handle blades. They all work survey equipment and digital cameras. I've repeatedly had the discussion pointing out that mandating these gloves increases risk, because they have to be removed to work the equipment necesary to do the job, and that we'd be better with 'lesser' rated gloves that let our people keep them on to do their job, but no dice - the client decides everyone shall wear cut 5 gloves, and everyone shall wear cut 5 gloves.
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LAZY SAFETY .Make everybody wear the 5 point PPE regardles. If you dont like it dont enter our site.
Your only wearing it to gain entry and talk to somebody for 10 mins try working with it on all day.
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Originally Posted by: Mark-W I have no issue with the fotwaer, hi viz and hard hat. But when the level of glove they specify is the same for the tradesmen as it is for me then it becomes a bit of an issue.
Provide your own gloves that are suitable for what you are doing and do not under any circumstances accept "rigger" gloves as providing an appropiate level of protection for anything - they are useless! If they argue ask them to do a specific risk assessment of what you will be doing on site. I'd bet the argument stops there!
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If wearing a glove for physical protection is mandatory, what do they do about those handling chemicals?
Actually, as is well known, gloves are legally a 'last serot', to be used when all other measures have been implemented and there is still a residual risk that cannot be controlled by other means. I think it is legally questionnable whether the company is actually acting within the law by insisting on everyone wearing gloves unless a specific risk assessment requires this. Not really very professional for someone working in health and safety!
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Its just lazy safety management to apply blanket PPE requirements.
I was recently doing a pre-construction site visit. Literally to a green field, at lesast 200m from the adjacent site where we were tieing-in to. I was criticised for not wearing hard hat & eye protection.
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and how many such lazy policies have drifted in to existence at the hands of iosh members?
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and how many such lazy policies have drifted in to existence at the hands of iosh members?
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Originally Posted by: Roundtuit and how many such lazy policies have drifted in to existence at the hands of iosh members?
I'd go a step further and ask how many have been created, enforced, promoted and mandated by IOSH members? If it were none, then I suspect that there would be a ot less of this, so by the law of averages, there mus be a significant amount. Whatever happened to ERIC-PD?... Edited by user 27 June 2018 15:48:38(UTC)
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