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Good Day All We have been asked do undertake some fire inspections at a local college. Ceiling and floor spaces, risers etc.to highlight any gaps where pipes penetrate, and are without fire collars Intumescent strips fire foam Etc .Also absense of intumescent paper on door hinges, Fire ratings. What training certification and /or accreditation would be required to undertake these inspections or can we work from a tick box list ? Also what training is required to install any measures required to bring up to standards ?
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Hi I would suggest a Passive Fire protection training course , you can goggle for providers in your area regards Dave
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Whilst there is no current regulatory compulsion for qualification, anyone doing this type of work needs to be competent. I am interested in how you have been asked as it would appear that the customer does not know what they need in terms of competent advice. There is work going on to have an accredited scheme, that has not yet come to fruition and looks like it may be a while. PAS 79: 2012 available from BSI is a suggested document to follow, The NEBOSH National Certificate in Fire Safety and Risk management is a good level to begin with, other providers of fire risk assessment training include Pheonixoffering a fire risk assessment course. Other providers are out there including the FPA. A tick box approach would not (IMHO) be suitable for the environment, especially as you are mentioning fire collars and foam filling etc. Templates based on the PAS 79 approach are available on line. Fire Risk assessment guidance is available from: https://www.gov.uk/workplace-fire-safety-your-responsibilities/fire-risk-assessments and are a good resource. I would suggest that more investigation of the college needs is required, it can be problematic if you take on the work and your efforts are deemed to be insufficient by the inspecting authority.
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I assume from the deatils in your post that this is NOT a fire risk assessment, but a fire stopping/passive fire infrastructure survey??? If that is the case, you must be competent Have a look here for training courses. http://www.asfp.org.uk
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Originally Posted by: SNS  Whilst there is no current regulatory compulsion for qualification, anyone doing this type of work needs to be competent. Point of order, you do not have to be competent to carry out a fire risk assessment under the Fire Safety Order 2005. That simply is not the case. You do have to produce a suitable and sufficient FRA
Those employed to deal with matters arising from the FRA such as fire alarm engineers, trainers, electricians - do need to be competent. This is not an accident. It allows a responsible person of a small low risk premises to DIY using the HMG Fire Safety Guides. There will be changes in the future when the Grenfell Inquiry concludes, but that is the situation right now
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Originally Posted by: Messey Originally Posted by: SNS Whilst there is no current regulatory compulsion for qualification, anyone doing this type of work needs to be competent. Point of order, you do not have to be competent to carry out a fire risk assessment under the Fire Safety Order 2005. That simply is not the case. You do have to produce a suitable and sufficient FRA
Those employed to deal with matters arising from the FRA such as fire alarm engineers, trainers, electricians - do need to be competent. This is not an accident. It allows a responsible person of a small low risk premises to DIY using the HMG Fire Safety Guides. There will be changes in the future when the Grenfell Inquiry concludes, but that is the situation right now
Hi Messey, you do need a level of ability to carry out a suitable and satisfactory FRA, depends on the definition of 'competence'; HSE Site has it as: Competence can be described as the combination of training, skills, experience and knowledge that a person has and their ability to apply them to perform a task safely. Other factors, such as attitude and physical ability, can also affect someone’s competence. The ability to produce a suitable etc FRA using the guides would meet that definition, or is that too literal?
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Unless someone has a great stroke of random luck, if they have produced something that is suitable and sufficient then they must have been competent to do so - as if they weren't competent, they wouldn't be able to do it.
So competence is an implied rather than an explicit requirement.
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SOunds like a job for a building surveyor, to advise the fire risk assessor
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As an side to this, whilst so many of you are engagaed on fire related topics:-
My current boss is adamant that you do not need to have a Fire Risk Assessment, my working on one has caused some comment as apparently one was done a some years ago and that should be sufficient ( they have moved offices since then and the so called FRA was not FFP then!) any idea why he would have this idea?.
He is generally quite keen on keeping on the right side of legislation, but seems to have a blind spot when it comes to reviewing or updating.
Nic
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Bizarre. Have you shown him the relevant bits of legislation?
Have you explained what the purpose of a FRA is?
Have you told him the story of Grenfell?
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