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adep_salop  
#1 Posted : 01 October 2018 09:28:02(UTC)
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adep_salop

Hi,

Hope well all.

I'm new to post with a company, They have not had a reportable accident "RIDDOR" since the site opened just over 5 years ago (2010 days).

The company doesn't realise what an amazing achievement this is, and I just wanted to show them what other companies have done to celebrate this as part of an 'onboarding presentation'.

Any help on this one from the wider H&S Cmunnity would be amazing.

Many thanks

Ade Plimmer

fairlieg  
#2 Posted : 01 October 2018 10:50:29(UTC)
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fairlieg

Just a thought on the message to get across I have seen many companies celebrate what I think is the worng thing so sorry if this sounds a bit like a damper but I was wondering during the 2010 days, were they safe or were they lucky?

Many companies celebrate what didn't happen... if they were safe during the 2010 days then it would be a good opportunity to celebrate all the things the company did to achieve the milestone, to help reinforce why you do all things you do to stop people getting hurt.  (like how you learn from successful work, early interventions, management presence & comitment, employee raising issues and issues being resolved etc etc).

On the other hand, if they were lucky what message would you share………..

Edited by user 01 October 2018 10:56:15(UTC)  | Reason: Re-phrased

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 01 October 2018 11:09:32(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

When I see the “XXX number since our last time lost accident” I wonder what sort of bonus the managers get for keeping that record and what they would do to keep it.  RIDDOR is also a very low hurdle. It is about stopping the obvious accidents, not issues of ill health due to things like noise, exposure to chemicals, HAV etc.

What you need is to find a way of publicising your positives  not just the fact that you have avoided accidents.  

adep_salop  
#4 Posted : 01 October 2018 11:26:57(UTC)
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adep_salop

Thanks for the responses so far.

I would agree that 'celebrating just a number' can be a little simplistic at times and there are many factors that go into fulfilling a safety culture, and preventing injury and illness at work. That is why regular auditing, using Safety Cultural Maturity models etc, can give you a better picture. And give more piece of mind to the  'are we just being lucky?' scenario.

However with the companies I've previously worked for have celebrated these milestones. For example when we reached going a year without an over 3 day injury we had a celebration curry where the workforce was served by the Management Team. We used the day as an opportunity to re-enforce key safety messages, opportunity to re-invigorate H&S discussions a cross every level and and area of the site.

Another compalny I worked for had special Sports Jerseys printed celebrating the milestone. Getting children of workers to draw pictures to give to their parents asking them to wortk and come home safely etc.

Anything you guys out there along similar lines would be very much appreciated.

Kind regards

Ade

andygser  
#5 Posted : 04 October 2018 15:36:49(UTC)
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andygser

Personally I dislike the board at the gate type of thing declaring for example, 278 days without an injury etc,

 I can’t think of a better way of ensuring people are a little afraid to report if it's going to reset the injury clock or loose everyone the free curry lunch etc.

 

adep_salop  
#6 Posted : 04 October 2018 16:13:35(UTC)
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adep_salop

Originally Posted by: andygser Go to Quoted Post

Personally I dislike the board at the gate type of thing declaring for example, 278 days without an injury etc,

 I can’t think of a better way of ensuring people are a little afraid to report if it's going to reset the injury clock or loose everyone the free curry lunch etc.

 

Wouldn't you say that is down to culture (i.e. fear or blame culture). Your celebrating what an amazing achievement it is to go for such a distance in time without an accident. As we all know there can be many reasons what accidents occur. And not just because of what the person who has had the accident has done. Management failures for examples. Seems like we are almsot fearful to celebrate success, and would rather wollow in the fear of something going wrong?

RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 04 October 2018 18:16:53(UTC)
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RayRapp

There is nothing wrong with celebrating success if that is the case. However, the hangover will be when eventually someone does have a RIDDOR. I would not want to be that person or the manager of that department!

Zyggy  
#8 Posted : 04 October 2018 18:42:17(UTC)
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Zyggy

The problem with some schemes is that they make it into a competition between sections/departments etc. I inherited such a scheme & with weeks to go the catering team were "winning". Unfortunately in the last week one of the staff sustained an injury & the fallout from her colleagues was absolutely disgraceful leading to a great deal of upset. Once it had concluded, I refused to be involved in any more as I firmly believed that incidents were not being reported & staff were encouraged to keep quiet.
Steve e ashton  
#9 Posted : 05 October 2018 00:23:42(UTC)
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Steve e ashton

I would hope that we, safety professional, of all people, should be able to learn from the disasters of the past. Strongly recommend reading the fennel report following kings cross, the baker report following Texas's city, or the press reports following deep water horizon.... To summarise, and partially quote.. Absence of accidents is a negative measure, largely dependant on luck, whereas what is needed is positive efforts... Fennel quoted the safety guy from London underground. Deep water horizon had a meeting to celebrate safety (absence of accidents) the day before it all went wrong... Texas city fatalities included several who were gathered to celebrate an accident free period... As a profession, health and safety needs to pay more attention to the lessons (hard won) from the past... Not aimed at the OP. I believe all h&s people need to think about what has been said by very clever people following previous catastrophes..
thanks 3 users thanked Steve e ashton for this useful post.
Andrew W Walker on 05/10/2018(UTC), RayRapp on 06/10/2018(UTC), toe on 07/10/2018(UTC)
grim72  
#10 Posted : 05 October 2018 07:18:26(UTC)
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grim72

I think it is a double edged sword - yes on the plus side you help celebrate a safe site and show to staff/public that you take safety seriously (on face value at least).

The worry is, as others have mentioned, the fear of being the one that re-sets the counter to zero - it can push accidents underground - I've read in the past about how these schemes have seen some employees almost bullied into either not reporting the incident or returning to work too soon to avoid classing it as 3day injury.

I guess that can be viewed as a company attitude issue rather than the system itself but there is always that underlying risk it will happen - purely down to human nature rather than malevolence.

Why not have a board with quotes form staff saying why they like working there, what safety improvements they've seen over the years etc to give a better perception - you can even mention the days alongside/in the quotes. Add the employee's photo in a snapframe if (s)he's happy to do so and use a wipe clean board to update regularly?

peter gotch  
#11 Posted : 05 October 2018 14:32:47(UTC)
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peter gotch

It's also very depressing when you go to site to investigate when the board has been reset following a fatal accident.

hilary  
#12 Posted : 08 October 2018 11:10:37(UTC)
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hilary

We went 9 years without a RIDDOR and then when we did have one it was the strangest little accident when an older gentleman tripped over a pallet truck he had put in the area and fell on his bottom.  On the way down he appears to have hit his upper arm and this caused a hairline fracture.  He thought it hurt a bit but carried on working for 90 minutes!!!

Accidents happen but in our case as an engineering manufacturing organisation, I would say it's down to good management and not just "luck".  When we did have the accident we just accepted that sooner or later it was going to happen.  No finger pointing, no blame attached.

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