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Monopoly  
#1 Posted : 30 November 2018 09:25:26(UTC)
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Monopoly

Hello

A bit of advice please. We have a school that has a COSHH file for cleaning activities such as cleaning floors etc. The COSHH file contains manufacturer data sheets and a risk assessment produced by the cleaning supervisor. The RA is a bog standard one that describes the activity and what control measures are in place i.e. need to wear gloves and cordon off area etc. Is this sufficient? I have been informed a COSHH control sheet needs to be in place as well that pulls off info from the data sheet. Is this a legal requirement and or good practice?

WatsonD  
#2 Posted : 30 November 2018 10:16:26(UTC)
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WatsonD

It should be a specific COSHH assessment. You also need to take into account the mix of chemicals you will be using and whether they are compatible.

Get some expert advice on this if you are not sure. HSE provide some good information: http://www.hse.gov.uk/coshh/basics.htm

Edited by user 30 November 2018 14:03:23(UTC)  | Reason: Spelling mistake

Kate  
#3 Posted : 30 November 2018 10:25:16(UTC)
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Kate

Copying information from the safety data sheet and labelling it "COSHH" is neither a legal requirement nor good practice. It is however very common.

You just need the risk assessment to adequately cover everything that is relevant, and to provide information and training to the people doing the task.  What format you do this in is up to you.

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A Kurdziel on 30/11/2018(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#4 Posted : 30 November 2018 11:08:32(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The SDS just deals with the substance in question in generic terms. As Kate and others have said, it’s what you do with it that is important. The aim of the risk assessment is to enable you to carry out that task safely. Do not need lots of technical information about LD50 or decomposition products after burning most the time. The key is the controls and to be honest for cleaning products they are fairly generic.

chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 01 December 2018 10:11:45(UTC)
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chris.packham

Forget the safety data sheet. There are many hundreds of chemicals that can be hazardous. particularly when used and if protection is by gloves. Consider what the currect ACoP for COSHH states:

Paragraph 10 - Employers should regard a substance as hazardous to health if it is hazardous in the form in which it may occur in the work activity. A substance hazardous to health need not be just a chemical compound, it can also include mixtures of compounds, micro-organisms or natural materials, such as flour, stone or wood dust.

It isn't what you buy, it is what you use and in particular how you use it that is important. There has been at least one fatality subject of a prosecution where a worker without adequate training who gassed himself by mixing two cleaning chemicals together.

Chris

Monopoly  
#6 Posted : 03 December 2018 09:59:19(UTC)
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Monopoly

Thanks for the advice guys

Oxford  
#7 Posted : 04 January 2019 15:43:19(UTC)
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Oxford

If ever there was a set of regulations that need a complete overhaul and re-write, its CoSHH. It's overly complicated and a nightmare for smaller employers to have to deal with - to treat all hazardous substance users the same, irrespective of product/use/volume etc is just ridiculous.

In addition few employees (especially those who have ESL) will read either the MSDS or CoSHH RA - they might possibly read the label on the container once and then ignore everything...

Kate  
#8 Posted : 05 January 2019 08:01:32(UTC)
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Kate

While I agree with Oxford's points about how COSHH isn't working well, I don't think it's the regulations that are at fault - it's the thoughtless way people tend to implement them.

For example, it's not an expectation in the regulations that workers will read either the sds or the risk assessment - the requirement is to provide them with information and training, which can be done in other, more effective ways.

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A Kurdziel on 08/01/2019(UTC)
peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 05 January 2019 12:05:05(UTC)
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peter gotch

Oxford

What would you propose to do to COSHH whilst at the same time retaining confidence that we have adequately transposed EC Directives.

There's plenty of guidance to enable people to keep it simple.

There's plenty of people who manage to find ways of complicating compliance.

Personally, I have thought that we could have implemented most EC Directives via the general duties under teh HSWA, with supporting Approved Codes of Practice and guidance but that's not the route that successive UK Governments chose to follow.

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A Kurdziel on 08/01/2019(UTC)
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