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MJT110474  
#1 Posted : 18 December 2018 12:28:42(UTC)
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MJT110474

Hi all,

We currently use the following substances in smaller bottles for ease of use, but I am concerned about the bottle integrity of them

Slideway Oil

Hydraulic Oil

Pencool S800 Diluted Coolant

Standard Thinners

We have been using a colour coding system for the bottles we use, but im curious as to:

A: the legality of storing smaller quantities of these in self labeled bottles, and,

B: Is it possible to buy bottles that are guaranteed to have the integrity required?

I understand that some of you will just say "use the original container" but these are all supplied in 25-205L containers, so it is totally impractical to do this.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 18 December 2018 12:41:52(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Dividing up a larger stock of chemicals into smaller bottles is a standard practice in many industries and there is nothing wrong with as long as it is done correctly.

Firstly the new containers must be clearly marked describing what is in them and what hazards it poses. There should be a named responsible person who looks after this material and will arrange for its final disposal.

There should be a date telling you when it was transferred to the new container and (if possible) a date when it will be disposed of.

Integrity of the container is really important. Several supplies of laboratory chemicals will no longer guarantee their containers for more than 5 years, which is a bit of worry when you find chemicals dating back to the days of the Bay City Rollers at the back of cupboards.  And I have seen plastic containers just crumble when you pick them up.

Kate  
#3 Posted : 18 December 2018 12:52:05(UTC)
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Kate

There is no law against decanting - indeed I think HSE publish advice about decanting in their COSHH guidance.

I've never come across a guarantee of integrity of a container.  It needs to be a material that is compatible with the contents and I would want to check the containers periodically to see that they still seem sound.

MJT110474  
#4 Posted : 18 December 2018 13:00:43(UTC)
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MJT110474

Thanks,

It was a HSE inspector who picked me up on the integrity of the bottles. they all had a colour code system on them, but were mostly washing up liquid bottles with labels on them.

Blackburn31728  
#5 Posted : 18 December 2018 13:09:21(UTC)
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Blackburn31728

If thats his only worry put them in bleach bottle colour coded they are of good quality

chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 18 December 2018 13:56:07(UTC)
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chris.packham

It is essential that you ensure that the container material is compatible with the chemical. For example, the thought that one might keep a 'standard thinners', presumably a hydrocarbon solvent, in a plastic washing up bottle would for me be unacceptable. Some plastics are acceptable for the oils you mention, for example those that have contained lubricating oil. Most plastics would probably be acceptable for pre-mixed metalworking fluid as this is a chemical-water emulsion. Any solvent where the original concentrate came in a metal container should really only be decanted into another metal container.

Chris

MJT110474  
#7 Posted : 18 December 2018 14:02:39(UTC)
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MJT110474

Sorry for any confusion, the thinners is kept in metal containers, even though the original container for this from supliers is plastic. the water based coolants and hydraulic oil are the ones she was concerned over the integrity of the containers, suggesting that we had to purchase containers specifically suited to the substances inside them.

Thanks again for any advice given.

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 18 December 2018 19:37:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You could of course ask the material supplier (pushing back up the supply chain to the actual producer/manufacturer if required) for their recommended packaging - after all someone should have conducted a suitability study for the package as presented to market especially where the content could be considered Dangerous Goods for transport where very specific rules apply.

Edited by user 18 December 2018 19:38:31(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

Roundtuit  
#9 Posted : 18 December 2018 19:37:48(UTC)
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Roundtuit

You could of course ask the material supplier (pushing back up the supply chain to the actual producer/manufacturer if required) for their recommended packaging - after all someone should have conducted a suitability study for the package as presented to market especially where the content could be considered Dangerous Goods for transport where very specific rules apply.

Edited by user 18 December 2018 19:38:31(UTC)  | Reason: FFS

A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 19 December 2018 10:04:51(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

When selecting your containers you need to look at the whole process. So for example glass bottles are generally very resistant against chemicals but you might not want people using glass bottles in workshop where there is risk of breakages. Polyethylene is generally very chemically resistant

It is not affected by strong acids or strong bases, but it can be attacked by aromatic hydrocarbons such as toluene or xylene or chlorinated solvents such as trichloroethane or trichlorobenzene.

You really need to know what the substances in your mixtures are; check the SDS. The names you have given are too generic.   Note that plastic bottles have a higher fire risk.

There are suppliers for these sort of bottles who can probably advise you on what you need.  

stuart46  
#11 Posted : 19 December 2018 10:18:11(UTC)
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stuart46

Unless I'm mistaken, don't the vast majority of plastic containers actually have the material they are made of moulded into the container itself for ease of identification? Where this is present it should be easy to source a suitable container of the same material.

chris42  
#12 Posted : 19 December 2018 12:16:47(UTC)
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chris42

You may also want to consider why they are using washing up bottles! I suspect it allows them to aim the oils and coolant exactly where they want it, in appropriate quantities.

These are obviously relatively small quantities we are taking about and if the washing up bottle has been in use for some time with no issues, I don’t see the issue provided it is labelled appropriately.

Is there really such a substance as standard thinners! This is the one I would be concerned about mostly. However, for the oils why not just buy old fashioned oil cans (radical I know) that would prevent any spills which is what I assume the HSE are concerned about. For example, only

https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/hand-tools/oil-cans-and-guns/350cc-plastic-oil-can-6%22-nylon-spout/p/ZT1002115X?utm_campaign=pla-Hand+Tools+-+&utm_source=google&utm_medium=shopping-pla&utm_keyword=ZT1002115X&istCompanyId=6aa6787b-063e-4414-802d-129f235df603&istItemId=wtqixxqprr&istBid=tztx&gclid=EAIaIQobChMInrWJ6-6r3wIVB-J3Ch0-qQZAEAQYAiABEgJcKvD_BwE

You may also want to consider biological build up (even if the coolant has a biocide in it, if you keep using the same bottle without cleansing properly (could be an issue)

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