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eoin  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2018 21:48:41(UTC)
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eoin

I’m sure this has been covered before however I cant seem to find the required information, could someone with experience please advise on how to carry out a risk profile for a manufacturing / engineering facilty. I cannot really envisage the proposed content or layout of the document.

I assume we list the high risk activities - work at height, lifting operations , workplace transport , manual handling , pressure testing , confined spaces , Slips, trips and falls, noise, vibration , workplace stress , increase workforce with sub contract labour ( unknown competency / abilities etc) Then have the control / mitigation in the columns next to the those ?

Thanks

RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 18 December 2018 09:30:54(UTC)
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RayRapp

I'm not really quite sure what you mean by a 'risk profile' although I understand the concept. It does depend partly on the purpose of this document. For example, you could have a risk register with a traffic light system which identifies the potential risks to a business and can also be shared with senior/departmental managers. However, a risk register tends to take a more holistic view of the business rather than drilling down to small individual risks. That said, in my experience the problem is they tend to start small and then grow 'arms and legs' becoming unmanagable unless a lot of time is spent amending the document.

  

HSSnail  
#3 Posted : 18 December 2018 10:10:53(UTC)
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HSSnail

There is some advice on the HSE website on this topic, not sure if you have seen this.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/managing/delivering/do/profiling/index.htm

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eoin on 20/12/2018(UTC)
Kate  
#4 Posted : 18 December 2018 12:57:14(UTC)
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Kate

For what purpose are you doing this?  Who wants to see it?

The answers to those questions will determine how to make it look.

eoin  
#5 Posted : 18 December 2018 13:30:36(UTC)
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eoin

During our ISO 45001 transistion audit it was noted that we didnt capitalise on identified oppurtunities in our risk matrix - what we need to identify is that because our new "business model" is a core team of shop floor staff from which we will man up and down as required.

We therefore need to have a programme ( profile ) to identify when in our work schedule we need to bring in sub contractors and how we control the risk as detailed in my initial post.

The audit report minor NC states:  

The organization shall establish, implement and maintain a process to assess:

a) OH&S opportunities to enhance OH&S performance, while taking into account planned changes to the organization, its policies, its processes or its activities and opportunities to adapt work, work organization and work environment to workers ,opportunities to eliminate hazards and reduce OH&S risks.

b) other opportunities for improving the OH&S management system.

The discussion with the auditor was to risk profile our workload and timetable so we can identifiy areas of upmanning and plan for it.

I just dont really understand how to do this - i will look at the HSE link posted above.

Thank you for the comments so far.

Edited by user 18 December 2018 13:31:19(UTC)  | Reason: spelling error

A Kurdziel  
#6 Posted : 18 December 2018 14:45:02(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Since it is for the befit of the auditor you should get them to spell out exactly what they want and to explain to you what benefits to the business any such exercise might bring.  Do the auditors know what they are talking about or are they just reading from a script? Is it about continuous improvement or what?

It sounds to me like a lot of wordage for very little gain!

OliverWallace  
#7 Posted : 20 December 2018 16:53:09(UTC)
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OliverWallace

We've actually had a very similar thing here. We had an observation raised following a 14001 audit in respect to our aspects and impacts. Although we have clearly identified all aspects and impacts, rated them and looked further at adressing additional controls. The auditor asked us why we hadn't gone further and singled out our most significant aspects and then reviewed those from a life cycle perspective. 14001 does not require this level of detail and our system isn't mature enought yet to accomodate this. It fealt very much like the auditors flavour of the month suggestion to try at get us to continually improve without guiding use as to the information they expect to see. I'm not even sure what he expects to see.

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eoin on 20/12/2018(UTC)
Stuart Smiles  
#8 Posted : 20 December 2018 19:36:43(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

seems the risk is that you are scaling up and down staff and need to manage the process of getting people in, and out of the organisation, getting them in in time, and out as well. 

perhaps it's a process thing in terms of notice within the organisation - we need people by march, so therefore we need to recruit late december, to have them available within the timescale, or have a programme of authorised contractors that have already completed or h&s training and competency stuff, so that they are effectively ready to go, transferrable staff within a "talent pool", and all the associated management to do it. 

thats the sort of thing i'd consider, (perhaps also recommend more control of business stuff so that have better forward visibility of work and requirements - can you do work to orders more in the future, to plan and profile your staff, requirements? 

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eoin on 20/12/2018(UTC)
Stuart Smiles  
#9 Posted : 20 December 2018 21:27:30(UTC)
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Stuart Smiles

i'd also suggest use of iso9000 as part of the system,and creating an integrated management system whilst you are at it, and think that could also be an underlying aspect to it, suggest you are looking to prepare to add in iso 9001 so it gives control of the business objectives. 

if reading correctly, perhaps they're suggecting that things could be less disjointed, that 9001 could help, and would also require customer feedback and contact as an integral part of the system, (again providing better forward visibility), suggestings for customer quality improvements, and ensuring that planinng is formalised. 

just a bif more reflection on it, after "not-thinking" about it. 

perhaps it's also about senior management involvement, (and your involvement with them), perhaps should have more visibility and trust. 

good luck in any case, and 

chris42  
#10 Posted : 21 December 2018 09:01:08(UTC)
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chris42

First and foremost, this is Your management system.

You are currently running your business and when needed get more people in and also when needed let some go. You are doing this already, all you need to do is write down how you currently do it. I would suggest you do not put in minute detail, but show what factors are considered and who makes the decision (job title). They can’t really argue if you write something along the lines; Manager A makes a decision, this decision is based on a number of factors including time of year, holiday season, and whatever else has an obvious big impact on your business. This decision is relayed to HR to sort. END OF PROCESS. Perhaps it is not one person but a meeting of people who collectively decide, then write that with the inputs ie time of year listed, but not limited to.

You have to cover what is needed, but the level of detail is up to you, unless the standard specifically calls for a procedure or particular document, then you don’t even have to have one, unless you want to. Do not create paperwork unless it will be of use to your company.

Just IMHO

Chris

andybz  
#11 Posted : 21 December 2018 09:05:23(UTC)
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andybz

I can't talk for the auditor but asking you to develop a risk profile is a really useful way of getting a feel for how well you understand your risks.  A traffic light approach should do this very well.  You may have a red risk because of

1. The inherent hazard - something you cannot avoid so are constantly in a state of unease to make sure you always control the risks;

2. Exposure to the hazard - something less hazardous but because it is encountered so often or by so many people you have implemented a greater deal of control than may be considered normal;

3. Inadequate controls - an area where you know you are not achieving best practice and so you have a plan in place to improve.

The key message is that you should have a profile with a mixture of red, amber and green.  Also, can explain why issues are in the different regions and what you are doing about it.

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