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We have a number of plant drivers (rollers and dumper trucks) who's CPCS certification is about to expire.
Current thinking is that we discontinue with this certification and provide training in house via a competent person. Has anyone gone down this route? Sounds like a daft question but how do you demonstrate the in house trainer is competent to deliver the training and the training is suitable and sufficient ?
Is there a train the trainer course they could go on? Thanks in advance
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Nothing to stop you conducting in-house training but what about your clients and pre-qualification questionnaires? If you don't tick their boxes will you still be engaged for the contract?
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Nothing to stop you conducting in-house training but what about your clients and pre-qualification questionnaires? If you don't tick their boxes will you still be engaged for the contract?
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I hold several teaching/instructing quals, they allow me to teach subjects up to the level I am qualified at. So first thing is to see if your inhouse trainer has an official teaching qual, if not you are going to fall flat.
As for PQQ's, most that I see across my desk ask a question but give you space to offer any evidence. So in the case of plant operators, you don't have any CPCS registered operators because we operate an inhouse training regime, our instructor is...., his quals are........ his experience is.......... As long as you can provide evidence and competence you should be golden.
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Thanks for your resposnes.
Does anyone know of any specific train the traner courses that cover the CPCS subject area?
Or am I thinking too specific?
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Can I ask what is driving the need to move away from CPCS? Is this a business decision based on money or other? CPCS is widely seen as the construction industry standard and I would hazard a guess this is probably what your client base will want to see. If you provide your training in-house then any potential client will want to see at least the equivalent as a minimum. Therefore is your business going to pay for training of your trainers to go on rather expensive courses and then how will you certfy your operators. CPCS is a very robust scheme that provides a widely recognised competence pathway from trained operator (CPCS Red Cards) to competent operator (Blue Cards), that is linked to an NVQ and task based assessments etc.
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As above, think about your clients requirements , but it’s not shown if you are only on your site. Checking currently CPCS trained operators may be okay, don’t forget future new employees may not have cpcs as a foundation, so think how you would deal with them - internally or externally?
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If your operators purely operate on your own sites then you can safely go down the route of in-house training providing you can prove that your instructors are competent to deliver the training and assessment they require. In previous employment, we went down this route and trained two employees to become CPCS instructors (this isn't cheap). They had the qualifications to prove they were competent to train/assess employees when combined with their experience. Using CPCS standards as our base line, we created and documented in-house training programmes but we also went down the route of becoming an NVQ Assessment Centre so that all our employees were qualified to Level 2 VQ standard in their relevant plant operations category (again not a cheap option). At the time, I worked for one on the biggest quarry operators in the UK so these were financially viable options for us.
If cost is the issue, you could look at the National Plant Operators Registration Scheme (NPORS) which is similar to CPCS but (from what I've been led to believe) a lot cheaper. If your employees have done their CITB H&S Test they can get the CSCS logo on their NPORS cards in the same way it showed on their CPCS cards.
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Yes, our staff only operate on our sites so competing for external contracts is not a concern. I will have a look at NPORS to see if this is a viable alternative
Thanks
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Originally Posted by: Monopoly  We have a number of plant drivers (rollers and dumper trucks) who's CPCS certification is about to expire.
Current thinking is that we discontinue with this certification and provide training in house via a competent person. Has anyone gone down this route? Sounds like a daft question but how do you demonstrate the in house trainer is competent to deliver the training and the training is suitable and sufficient ?
Is there a train the trainer course they could go on? Thanks in advance
Drop me an inbox Monoploy, I think I can help you on this...
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We have gone down the NPORS route which is now nationally recognised by all the major clients/sites. Especially if your operators are experienced as this is both cost & time effective. Plus, if the operative holds an NVQ L2 in that relevant plant category, NPORS can now provide a NPORS card with the CSCS logo on it (as long as they are in date for their H&S&E touch screen test). There are plenty of NVQ providers who can offer training and quite often, funding if you're a levy payer.
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