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Having a bit of a dull moment here, so would be grateful if someone could confirm. The requirement for final exits on fire route is that they have a single action to open. Therefore, having a door with a break glass redlam bolt AND a push bar / pad at the same time should not happen. Correct? Thanks Chris
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From the Doors and Hardware Federation Code of Practice for Fire and Escape Doors Issue 2 June 2006: 12.3.4.3 Break-glass emergency bolts - these devices are unable to comply with the design requirements of BS EN 179, as they require more than a single hand operation to effect an exit. For this reason, this Code of Practice cannot recommend the use of such devices. Many other components might be used in conjunction with panic or emergency exit devices. In all cases these components must not be allowed to inhibit the escape function in any way. If appropriate certification from a third party is not available, then specific test evidence should be sought for all combinations of building hardware intended for use together. For further information see also the Best Practice Guide: • Panic and Emergency Exit Devices /end quote So basically, correct as far as I can see with a shallow search through my library.
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I would ask the question, why is there push bar door furniture fitted in the first place. They are usually fitted when a crush of evacuees is possible. This includes
- Where >50 persons may have to use that exit and are likely to arrive simultaneously
- Places of assessembly such as theatres night clubs and cinemas
- Where an exit in a hurry may be required, such as LPG store, paint spray booth etc
If this door fits that criteria, the the Redlam should/must come off. If there is only a few people/staff and not public, in a low risk environment, and they all know how to use a Redlam, then I wouldnt be so bothered. They are often installed to stop people leaving for a smoke, and leaving the door insecure upon their return.
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Thanks both for your responses. No we don’t come close to any of those criteria and only about 6 people, the work area has two large roller doors open even in the midst of winter ( yes they can not be counted as final fire route exit doors, but that is what the employees are likely to use in all but the rarest of circumstance or drill when forced). I think they were fitted to prevent smoking out the back, I don’t think they should have both types of fitment though (apparently one has! But I don’t remember seeing it). I will make a point of going and having a look myself. I think too many people were trying to use my brain through Monday in place of their own, and mine turned to mush by the end of the day. So thank you Chris
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