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wilco612  
#1 Posted : 23 January 2019 09:43:44(UTC)
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wilco612

We have painters and decorators currently working in our office building.  In order to re-paper the stairwell this will require us to hire a mobile scaffolding tower specifically for the work involved due to the height involved.

The question which I am not sure about is whether the painters and decorators need to be PASMA trained to use the scaffolding tower.  One of the hire companies states that they do but I want to be 100% sure that this is the case.

Any advice would be gratefully received.

peter gotch  
#2 Posted : 23 January 2019 12:36:32(UTC)
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peter gotch

Wilco

No specific legal requirement for PASMA, but you need to be confident that they know what they are doing. PASMA would go a little way towards giving you that confidence but they might be time-served and used to putting up aluminium towers almost in their sleep. To some extent the proof is in how they put the tower up and what it looks like when erected.

Plenty of freely available guidance on this topic from HSE and other sources.

Woolf13  
#3 Posted : 23 January 2019 12:43:37(UTC)
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Woolf13

Those erecting and dismantling the tower scaffold must be PASMA trained. Those using the tower scaffold for access to the work area do not need to be PASMA trained, but must be trained and aware of work at height.

PASMA deliver a range of training courses including one specific to your requirements, please see link below:

Edited by user 23 January 2019 12:44:23(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

wilco612  
#4 Posted : 23 January 2019 15:41:39(UTC)
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wilco612

Yes I've looked at a lot of advice but this seemed over the odds to have the decorators PASMA trained for what is a short duration contract that will last for a few hours only.

Our maintenance team would put up the scaffolding and this would be checked.

Woolf13  
#5 Posted : 24 January 2019 16:50:01(UTC)
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Woolf13

Falls from height is still the biggest killer in the construction industry and more often than not it is down to short duration works or where there is a lack of understanding of the risks through complacency or lack of training.

Training should be proportionate to the task and specific to the work the decorators are undertaking so that they can demonstrate an understanding of the risks faced and controls needed to avoid, prevent and minimise those risks whilst working at height.

Like I said the decorators do not have to be PASMA trained (unless erecting/dismantling the scaffold) and anyone informing you otherwise is incorrect. If you are ever unsure contact the trade association directly, in this case PASMA who will confirm exactly what I have advised.

Besides which training for work at height, whatever the duration, is a legal requirement.

Chris Cahill  
#6 Posted : 24 January 2019 19:34:09(UTC)
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Chris Cahill

Originally Posted by: Woolf13 Go to Quoted Post

Those erecting and dismantling the tower scaffold must be PASMA trained. Those using the tower scaffold for access to the work area do not need to be PASMA trained, but must be trained and aware of work at height.

PASMA deliver a range of training courses including one specific to your requirements, please see link below:

The MUST be PASMA trained statement is incorrect.

PASMA is just one source of training, PASMA is not a legal requirement, there are a number of other training routes that could be taken, as Peter G correctly points out., 

“From the HSE guidance “Towers should be erected by trained and competent people. There are a number of organisations that provide training for the safe erection and use of tower scaffolds.” 

Please note the Safe erection and Use statement, so some appropriate “At height training should be evident”

What is appropriate would be, what ever you as the client’s representative is content with 

Edited by user 24 January 2019 19:35:28(UTC)  | Reason: TYPO

frankc  
#7 Posted : 25 February 2019 15:53:12(UTC)
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frankc

Originally Posted by: wilco612 Go to Quoted Post

Yes I've looked at a lot of advice but this seemed over the odds to have the decorators PASMA trained for what is a short duration contract that will last for a few hours only.

Our maintenance team would put up the scaffolding and this would be checked.

Speaking as a Pasma Instructor, Chris Cahill is correct. Pasma is NOT a legal requirement. It is an option and an excellent accreditation but not your only option.  One thing you DON'T mention. The Maintenance team you say will assemble the tower. What experience/training do they have in assembling towers in general? You also say 'This will be checked'. By whom? Whatever course you take, make sure they have the Manufacturers Current Instruction Manual to assemble the tower correctly and safely.

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