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if NEBOSH & NCRQ offering degree level qualifications, why ars they classed as diplomas. IMO a diploma is a lower level than a degree. also it may reduce some of the confusion with recruiters if both bodies can offer degrees as well as universities.
i am sure someone will explain the reasoning behind this.
thanks
Mike
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Neither the NEBOSH Dip or NCRQ are 'degree level' they are diploma's
I have the NEBOSH Dip, I don't have a degree level qualification
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According to the National Qualifications Framework, a NEBOSH diploma is a level 5 qualification, which is the equivalent of a Foundation Degree, which is treated as about 2/3 of a full Bachelor’s degree, which is a level 6 qualification.
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The NCRQ and nebosh are degree level as to why once these have been achieved you can progress ontowards a masters.
Level criteria Holder has advanced practical, conceptual or technological knowledge and understanding of a subject or field of work to create ways forward in contexts where there are many interacting factors. Holder understands different perspectives, approaches or schools of thought and the theories that underpin them. Holder can critically analyse, interpret and evaluate complex information, concepts and ideas. AND/OR Holder can determine, refine, adapt and use appropriate methods and advanced cognitive and practical skills to address problems that have limited definition and involve many interacting factors. Holder can use and, where appropriate, design relevant research and development to inform actions. Holder can evaluate actions, methods and results and their implications.
Example qualifications
- Level 6 Award
- Level 6 Certificate
- Level 6 Diploma
- Level 6 NVQ
- Degree Apprenticeship
Equivalent FHEQ qualifications[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_qualifications_frameworks_in_the_United_Kingdom
http://www.anngravells.com/information/rqf
https://www.gov.uk/what-different-qualification-levels-mean/list-of-qualification-levels
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You know you're in trouble when you use wiki for reference!
NCRQ and NEBOSH Dip are not degree level, I am currently funding no.1 daughter through a degree which has taken 3 years to date.
To suggest to her, and those that undertake a degree, that my NEBOSH Dip or an NCRQ which can take literally three months to crack, are an equivilent level to her degree would be hugely embarrassing and most certainly degrading/ insulting
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According to the NEBOSH website: “The NEBOSH National Diploma in Occupational Health and Safety has been accredited and credit rated by the Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA) Accreditation. It sits in the Scottish Credit and Qualifications Framework (SCQF) at SCQF Level 10 with 51 SCQF credit points. SCQF Level 10 is comparable to RQF/CQFW Level 6 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.” So it’s a foreign qualification (Scottish)!
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Something can be at "degree level" without being a degree, the NEBOSH Gen Cert is the same level as an A level, but not the same LENGTH to obtain, for instance. Not an expert on NCRQ or any other qualifications but it seems reasonable enough that they are the same "level" but not equal in terms of status (cos they don't take as long, basically)
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I take the wikipedia refrence is very poor attempt to show my point and should maybe not have done it but was a quick look up to show a point. However British Safety Council will stand in better stead with there own point on this question.
Am I eligible for NEBOSH training?The NEBOSH National General Certificate is an ideal starting point for people looking to begin a career in health and safety management or to formalise previous training. It is a Level 3 qualification, equivalent to A Level. Both this and the NEBOSH International General Certificate do not require any previous health and safety knowledge but are a good basis for those looking to progress to a NEBOSH National Diploma. The National Diploma is a Level 6 qualification, equivalent to a full honours degree. https://www.britsafe.org/training-and-learning/find-the-right-course-for-you/what-is-nebosh/
I am not one that is setting the standard for these courses but discrediting the courses as not being degree level, when the qualification bods that rate the courses (including degrees) place this as a degree level course I am not one to argue, and would go with them.
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A diploma is not a lower level than a degree.It's like comparing apples with buses. You can't they are different entities. A diploma indicates the amount of learning, not the difficulty. A diploma can be at level 1,2,3,4, 5, 6 7 or 8. Think about it this way. All the individual modules of a degree are at degree level(5,6 or 7), but they are not a degree in isolation. The Nebosh Dip is level 5 (Foundation), The NCRQ Dip is level 6 (Bachelors). They are both degree level qualifications, not degrees. The level indicates the level of understanding you are required to demonstrate to complete it, not the length or quantity. You can do a post-grad diploma (PG Dip) which is level 7 (Masters) Clarke: "Neither the NEBOSH Dip or NCRQ are 'degree level' they are diploma's, I have the NEBOSH Dip, I don't have a degree level qualification" Oh yes you do! You have a level 5 diploma. Foundation degree level. I know you don't agree, but the same people assessed it as assessed number 1 daughters degree, so..... Either will allow you to take a Masters, as the Masters course begins with the modules which make up a PG Dip. 1st year, and Dissertation (2nd year). https://www.gov.uk/what-different-qualification-levels-mean/list-of-qualification-levels
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Originally Posted by: mike52  if NEBOSH & NCRQ offering degree level qualifications, why ars they classed as diplomas. IMO a diploma is a lower level than a degree. also it may reduce some of the confusion with recruiters if both bodies can offer degrees as well as universities.
i am sure someone will explain the reasoning behind this.
thanks
Mike The diploma's are diplomas because they have the level of degree study (depending upon the diploma and degree type of course) but not the quantity of degree study. Regards.A
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Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel  According to the NEBOSH website: “The NEBOSH National Diploma in Occupational Health and Safety has been accredited and credit rated by the Scottish Qualifications Authority (SQA) Accreditation. It sits in the Scottish Credit and Qualifications Framework (SCQF) at SCQF Level 10 with 51 SCQF credit points. SCQF Level 10 is comparable to RQF/CQFW Level 6 in England, Wales and Northern Ireland.” So it’s a foreign qualification (Scottish)!
Scottish qualification framework uses higher number than that south of the border, something about the Scott’s being of higher calibre, I think. NEBOSH registered their qualifications in Scotland (SQA) for no other reason than to imply a higher value to their qualification to make the qualification look higher than other qualifications of the same level registered in England, Wales and NI. Simply a marketing exercise.
It pi**is me of that the NEBOSH courses are registered in Scotland but often markers do not take Scott’s law into consideration when marking papers, e.g the legal system, delict and fire safety legislation.
Just a note to the OP, my MS’c degree was in no way the same level as my NEBOSH Diploma (albeit I completed the old, part one and part two diploma, back in the day)
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Originally Posted by: Clark34486  To suggest to her, and those that undertake a degree, that my NEBOSH Dip or an NCRQ which can take literally three months to crack, are an equivilent level to her degree would be hugely embarrassing and most certainly degrading/ insulting
I found the NEBOSH Diploma harder than the Criminology with Social Psychology degree I hold, which took me 3 years to obtain.
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Firstly, 'degree level' is not a thing. There are several degree levels including the associate's (two years); bachelor's (four years); master's (two years beyond a bachelor's degree); and doctoral, which is several years beyond a master's degree.
People are also mistaking what equivalent levels mean in a wider context.
It is possible to undertake a unit of learning which is level 6. Which is a high level but the qualification is only a unit (part of a whole).
Take NCRQ for example: the level 6 diploma is made up of three level 6 certificates. Each certificates is set at level 6 but you havent achieved the diploma until you hold all three. Also in doing so by achieeing one or even three of these doesnt mean you have a degree. In order to have a degree you must undertake a degree.
Yes they allow you to move onto a masters, because the level of learning/understanding at level 6 meets the minimum requirements. A degree is a whole other way of learning. You can get a degree in H&S, but it is more immersive than a diploma which can sit better around your work.
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