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MrBrightside  
#1 Posted : 08 May 2019 08:49:18(UTC)
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MrBrightside

Can someone please break the mould and realise that there is more to manual handling than lifting a perfectly sized box!

Other than maybe people, trying to find any manual handling poster, guideance, training that does not include a picture of someone lifting a box is next to impossible. Seriously anyone would think that the most hazardous things in a workplace are boxes!

Whenever you ask someone if they have had manual handling training, you will get the respone 'is that the one where we had to lift the box'. Look i'm not a boxist, I have nothing against boxes, but seriously can we start thinking outside of the box (I will see myself out). 

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A Kurdziel on 08/05/2019(UTC)
CdC  
#2 Posted : 08 May 2019 08:57:59(UTC)
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MrBrightside on 08/05/2019(UTC)
CptBeaky  
#3 Posted : 08 May 2019 08:59:51(UTC)
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CptBeaky

The biggest irony is when I worked in the cardboard industry we still had the box training despite the fact we didn't lift boxes, we only made them :)

In all seriousness when I do my induction I have to explain separately how to lift the products we make.

jodieclark1510  
#4 Posted : 08 May 2019 09:26:45(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

When I taught manual handling I used the stuff that staff would be expected to move around, mainly buckets of chemicals,hoovers, ( including taking them up and down stairs), cages of bed linen etc across rough terrain as well as the nice smooth floors in the accommodation. It made staff and temps more appreciative of what I was trying to get across. I ended up having staff volunteer to have photos taken using the techniques so the material could be used in the future for new starters and temps.

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Tinkerbel7 on 13/05/2019(UTC)
A Kurdziel  
#5 Posted : 08 May 2019 09:58:02(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Ideally when you deliver manual handling training it should relate to the sort of manual handling that the operatives will be doing, be it boxes, drums, beehives or lengths of pipe. The problems is that 1) the trainer has not necessarily been briefed about the manual handling that the people actually do (sometimes even when doing in-house training) and b) training tends to take place in nice clean training rooms where the training department expect everybody to use nice clean props not lengths of dirty piper or hives full of bees!

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Swygart25604 on 08/05/2019(UTC)
hilary  
#6 Posted : 08 May 2019 11:04:29(UTC)
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hilary

I do bring size and shape into my manual handling training and, more importantly, centre of gravity.  Even a beautifully square box may contain an item that has a serious difference in weight between one end and the other.

Swygart25604  
#7 Posted : 08 May 2019 11:19:21(UTC)
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Swygart25604

I'm reminded to put up the old chestnut of "TILE" at this point.

Task, Individual, Load, Environment...........as the major headings that need consideration when planning a lift or as subject headings to train people.

lwthesm  
#8 Posted : 08 May 2019 11:20:04(UTC)
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lwthesm

A Kurdziel - beehives! Yes indeed but not at work! My hives are getting heavier by the day but I have happy bees so inspecting is a joy :)

ExDeeps  
#9 Posted : 08 May 2019 11:24:48(UTC)
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ExDeeps

Funnily enough, the chap at the HSE Labs in Buxton who leads on the Manual Handling Risk Assessors course agrees with you. He also is the chap who looks after the HSE MH guidance etc. He is also not a fan of a lot of the MH training overall, citing the jam donut model of a back injury as extreme and wanting to focus on the more common issues rather than the actually very low frequency / likelihood of your discs bursting like the proverbial jam donut.

The course at HSL is very good, he's the UK authority on MH and in my opinion it's an eye opener if you can get on the course.

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MrBrightside on 08/05/2019(UTC)
MrBrightside  
#10 Posted : 08 May 2019 14:19:39(UTC)
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MrBrightside

Originally Posted by: ExDeeps Go to Quoted Post

citing the jam donut model of a back injury as extreme and wanting to focus on the more common issues rather than the actually very low frequency / likelihood of your discs bursting like the proverbial jam donut.

I must admit to using this one, mainly as an excuse to eat doughnuts. I totally agree though, in previous training I used to go on about the spine, discs etc and less on prevention. Mainly because that's what I was taught.

More and more i'm challenging how I have always done things and how we have always done things in this industry. 

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ExDeeps on 09/05/2019(UTC)
hilary  
#11 Posted : 09 May 2019 07:05:00(UTC)
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hilary

I use the jam doughnut as well but people remember the manual handling course as the jam doughnut course and they tend to be more careful.  Yes, it is extreme but if you want to make a manual handling course interesting and effective then I feel you should start with the musculoskeletal system and how it works otherwise you're just handing down the same "bend your knees, back straight" boring stuff that they've heard a hundred times before.  The jam doughnut packs a punch, especially as we have had a couple of people who have had discs replaced.  Additionally, who doesn't want a course which hands out free doughnuts!

grim72  
#12 Posted : 09 May 2019 07:46:22(UTC)
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MrBrightside  
#13 Posted : 10 May 2019 09:21:09(UTC)
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MrBrightside

Originally Posted by: hilary Go to Quoted Post

Additionally, who doesn't want a course which hands out free doughnuts!

I might upgrade to Krispy Kremes. Number one way to get people to any meeting or training, free food. 

Darren Kerr  
#14 Posted : 19 May 2019 18:56:21(UTC)
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Darren Kerr

Square boxes!! We used to have a great tool in manual handling training sessions. It was a tube that previously held wet wipes. It was now full of lead for the training. Everyone who tried to move it were caught out by the size and weight.

I have always been interested about the underlying conditions people carry in their bodies. The historic injuries that have long been forgotten but have left some level of weakness which is just waiting to be the straw breaking the camels back. For example the guy who can lift double bodyweight in the gym who piulls his back bending over to pick up his pen. Don't make sense to me.

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