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CEGraham  
#1 Posted : 24 June 2019 09:25:52(UTC)
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CEGraham

I would be grateful for some help.  I have a client who runs an end of tenancy cleaning business which involves cleaners entering domestic properties to clean them prior to a new tenant moving in.  At present there are no procedures in place to protect the cleaners from the risk of legionella.  Mindful that landlords now have responsibilities to prevent legionella - what can the business owner do to ensure the necessary precautions are in place.  Due to the number of cleans that take place, I'm advised it would be too onerous to request evidence for every property from each landlord/estate agent.

jodieclark1510  
#2 Posted : 24 June 2019 10:09:54(UTC)
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jodieclark1510

How soon after the vacation of the property are the cleaners going in? In most residential premises the taps, toilets, showers etc will be used fairly regularly so there should be a reasonable turnover of water.

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CEGraham on 24/06/2019(UTC)
chris.packham  
#3 Posted : 24 June 2019 11:59:35(UTC)
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chris.packham

Given the multitude of times this type of activity will have been carried out in a wide variety of locations and conditions is there any epidemiological evidence that there is a risk sufficiently significant that active management action is needed?

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jmaclaughlin  
#4 Posted : 24 June 2019 14:19:00(UTC)
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jmaclaughlin

The HSE does provide a risk assesment for this, domestic use is considered low risk, depending on how long the property has been vacant for.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/legionnaires/faqs.htm

As a control measure you could instruct your staff to flush all systems including showers for 5mins prior to commencing work.

Testing prior to work is expensive and time concuming in our experience.

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Xavier123  
#5 Posted : 24 June 2019 15:22:47(UTC)
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Xavier123

Amazing how the HSE can do risk assessments from afar these days...

Being pedantic aside, it should be relatively low risk if previously fully occupied and within a short timescale of your cleaners visit. Your control measures could be - find out when tenants moved out and so long as within one week of visit, probably fair to assume v. low legionella risk.

If greater than 1 week then a sliding scale of flushing might be needed bearing in mind that water out of the outlets - especially the shower - is likely the highest risk water. Shower heads can be removed before turning on...cleaned in a descaler etc. Shower hoses can be directed straight into the plug holes...

Some guidance for your cleaners on flushing where there is doubt or active concern re: possible risk would be beneficial.

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CEGraham on 24/06/2019(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 24 June 2019 18:25:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

And then on TV you come across a series such as Grime Busters, Serial Horders or similar where a set of professional cleaners enter a property that has been neglected, some time for decades its owner not having been able to reach, let alone use the kitchen sink or bathroom often with the toilet bowl looking drier than the mojave desert - a remote (HSE) assumption is no good in such circumstances

Occassionally these cleaners actually wear their masks correctly

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Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 24 June 2019 18:25:15(UTC)
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Roundtuit

And then on TV you come across a series such as Grime Busters, Serial Horders or similar where a set of professional cleaners enter a property that has been neglected, some time for decades its owner not having been able to reach, let alone use the kitchen sink or bathroom often with the toilet bowl looking drier than the mojave desert - a remote (HSE) assumption is no good in such circumstances

Occassionally these cleaners actually wear their masks correctly

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CEGraham  
#8 Posted : 24 June 2019 18:35:10(UTC)
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CEGraham

Thanks to all for the replies and advice :-)
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