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kinning  
#1 Posted : 04 June 2020 17:04:22(UTC)
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kinning

I work in an independent retirement living complex over 50 vulnerable people.  As they couldn't go into the communal lounge where before COVID  they did their exercises they decided to have an exercise class in the car park but couldn't understand that when I said they couldn't  do it again all hell broke loose.  

they still don't get it.  Any ideas as to how i can make them see it is dangerous.  They wouldn't understand the risk assessment even if I showed it.

Kim Hedges  
#2 Posted : 04 June 2020 17:08:38(UTC)
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Kim Hedges

I agree with the residents. 

Maybe you'll have to change the RA and Method Statement to put in place provisions to let these people use the carpark by closing the carpark to cars. 

If they exercise 2 metres apart, I can't see a problem.  

aud  
#3 Posted : 04 June 2020 18:31:01(UTC)
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aud

I am assuming you work in a safety-related capacity as you refer to 'the risk assessment' but I don't know what risks this covers. Why is this dangerous? Is the car park busy? All of it, all the time? Or is this Covid related? It's not clear to me where the danger is coming from. As said, close the car park or a section of it. 

Your residents are private citizens entitled to make decisions for themselves, even if those decisions may appear unwise. The benefits of an outdoor exercise class include improved physical and mental health, vitamin D from sunlight, fresh air, birdsong, freedom . . . Please find a way to say 'yes' not 'no'.

peter gotch  
#4 Posted : 04 June 2020 18:52:57(UTC)
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peter gotch

Kinning - I am also far from convinced.

Do all or any of the residents still have the mental capacity to understand a simple explanation of risks and thence what you propose to mitigate these, or apparently to stop the residents from doing something that is essentially a good idea?

If they do have such capacity, why wouldn't they understand your risk assessment? Would three of us who have replied to your posting?

Edited by user 04 June 2020 18:54:00(UTC)  | Reason: Grammar!

craigroberts76  
#5 Posted : 04 June 2020 19:29:19(UTC)
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craigroberts76

the issues that immediately stand out (and not all).

Weather (cold and too hot)

car park needing to be closed off (and not just some cones as they might not be seen) - if its closed will this move the parking problem elsewhere and cause more risks?

getting the clients to and from the car park (access, confinment in corridors etc)

will any be left alone whilst others are escorted out (could wander off)

first aid requirements

what if they need the loo, who takes them and what about the others who remain, are they alone?

jsut a few thoughts

Roundtuit  
#6 Posted : 04 June 2020 19:59:14(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I would start by asking why they cannot go in to the communal lounge? They were there before Covid, they are in an independent living complex - essentially an island away from the general population.

Is it because some jobs worth is insisting these people who effectivley live together must separate by 2m in accordance with government guidelines for separate households?

I too am with the residents - with less travelling and social interaction why would the car park be so busy as to be dangerous (unless it is also used by a take-away drive through that has just re-opened).

The fact the residents are rejecting your proposal tells me they have the mental ability to consider consequences, if they did not I doubt they would be allowed to be in independent living.

If your audience cannot understand your RA as written have you considered you may not be the correct person for the job?

Independent living is exactly that an opportunity away from a closed institution to develop by experiencing life and its many risks.

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 04 June 2020 19:59:14(UTC)
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Roundtuit

I would start by asking why they cannot go in to the communal lounge? They were there before Covid, they are in an independent living complex - essentially an island away from the general population.

Is it because some jobs worth is insisting these people who effectivley live together must separate by 2m in accordance with government guidelines for separate households?

I too am with the residents - with less travelling and social interaction why would the car park be so busy as to be dangerous (unless it is also used by a take-away drive through that has just re-opened).

The fact the residents are rejecting your proposal tells me they have the mental ability to consider consequences, if they did not I doubt they would be allowed to be in independent living.

If your audience cannot understand your RA as written have you considered you may not be the correct person for the job?

Independent living is exactly that an opportunity away from a closed institution to develop by experiencing life and its many risks.

andybz  
#8 Posted : 05 June 2020 07:45:57(UTC)
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andybz

Risk assessment is a process for working out how to do something safely not saying that something cannot be done. Very occassionally the requirements to achieve sufficient safety mean it effectively cannot be done, but I doubt that is the case with an exercise class, especially when the benefits of the activity are taken into account.

nic168  
#9 Posted : 05 June 2020 12:21:46(UTC)
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nic168

 Kinning- can you clarify why they cannot use the lounge in smaller groups and what the problem is with car park?

We need to think differently about how we do things, particularly when a group need to meet in real life not just via a screeen. for example  we have a small communal garden which we have just re-designated as an out door meeting room ( when not raining) as it seemed an opportunity to get more than 3 people together ( small meeting rooms).

I have also suggested that the nearby park is used for 1-2-1 meetings ( maybe walk and talk).

Using a carpark seems like a good idea unless there are safety concerns that cannot be mitigated.

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