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SammyK  
#1 Posted : 10 September 2020 13:07:18(UTC)
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SammyK

Hello- is anyone able to please give any advice on the following?! My child has a birthday party booked at the end of the month for 15 children, because of the new rules that have come into place re: only 6 people maximum at anyone time inside or out, do you think this will still take place? Laser tag are saying they’re a sport and therefore can go ahead. I cannot find anything on the internet to give advice on this. So would really appreciate anyone’s thoughts!
Kate  
#2 Posted : 10 September 2020 13:43:24(UTC)
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Kate

The children's party scenario is covered in this BBC News article.  Not good news I'm afraid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-51176409

But the sport defence may be valid.

Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 10 September 2020 15:49:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Think the "sport" defence is a bit of a stretch

Mark-W found similar false assertions - http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t130369-Motorsport

Roundtuit  
#4 Posted : 10 September 2020 15:49:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Think the "sport" defence is a bit of a stretch

Mark-W found similar false assertions - http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t130369-Motorsport

Kate  
#5 Posted : 10 September 2020 16:08:33(UTC)
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Kate

I don't think in this case the venue is claiming their customers are elite sportschildren, or inviting spectators.

The defence is more properly called "organised exercise" which is exempt (also covered in the link I posted with the example of dancing).

Mark-W  
#6 Posted : 14 September 2020 13:36:31(UTC)
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Mark-W

Originally Posted by: Roundtuit Go to Quoted Post

Think the "sport" defence is a bit of a stretch

Mark-W found similar false assertions - http://forum.iosh.co.uk/posts/t130369-Motorsport

I completely agree, again this looks like the venue stretching the terminology to beyond it's limits to keep their business open. I understand that they need to earn money but not at the expense of the public health.

Todai  
#7 Posted : 14 September 2020 13:49:46(UTC)
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Todai

Change your birthday party into a 'birthday age protest' Youll be ok then. Police generally make exceptions to the rules when its a protest. 

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biker1 on 14/09/2020(UTC)
CptBeaky  
#8 Posted : 15 September 2020 11:38:27(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Or give them all guns and go shoot some birds. For dome reason that is ok too...

achrn  
#9 Posted : 16 September 2020 08:46:21(UTC)
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achrn

Originally Posted by: CptBeaky Go to Quoted Post

Or give them all guns and go shoot some birds. For dome reason that is ok too...

Paintball is apparently OK too, as long as it is sufficiently serious as to require a firearms certificate licence (!)  MPs just like shooting things / people, I guess.

However, birthday parties are specifically not allowed - the "religious and belief-based life cycle ceremonies" exemption is a bit wooly - you are allowed to mark "a significant milestone in a person’s life, according to their religion or belief, such as events to celebrate a person’s birth" but not a birthday, and in any case "This does not include celebrations of these events".  So you can have a ceremony to mark someone's birth or coming of age, but not to mark their birthday, and you can't celebrate anyway - it would be hard to assert something portrayed as a 'party' is not a celebration event.

There are annoying (and ridiculous) edge cases - friends of mine have just cancelled a birthday party for their child because there were seven due to attend and they don't feel it right to drop two guests (at least one parent needed present).  What's ridiculous is that all seven kids are in the same class at school - so they mingle without social distancing five days a week, but it's illegal to meet together at the weekend...

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A Kurdziel on 16/09/2020(UTC)
chris.packham  
#10 Posted : 16 September 2020 09:00:26(UTC)
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chris.packham

What is so 'magic' about the number 6 anyway? Why not nine, or twelve? Presumably the Government have established (scientifically of course) that COVID-19 can count and will only cause transmission of itself if it can identify more than 6 persons in a group.  Could it be that the person who decided on six could not count further?  Or have I become cynical in my old age?68BK

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A Kurdziel on 16/09/2020(UTC)
CptBeaky  
#11 Posted : 16 September 2020 09:02:45(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

What is so 'magic' about the number 6 anyway? 

I am willing to bet the person who came up with "6" has a social bubble of "6" people. Nobody would come up with a number that inconvenienced themselves.

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A Kurdziel on 16/09/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 16 September 2020 10:04:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
What's ridiculous is that all seven kids are in the same class at school - so they mingle without social distancing five days a week, but it's illegal to meet together at the weekend...

On the news last night a similar comment was heard when interviewing people the police were "talking to" - that particular mother observed that if they got in their cars and drove 15 minutes in to Wales there would be no problem....

In other news Europe is developing a joined up approach on border controls... just saying if they can manage such a feat how come our United Kingdom can't?

Roundtuit  
#13 Posted : 16 September 2020 10:04:07(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Originally Posted by: achrn Go to Quoted Post
What's ridiculous is that all seven kids are in the same class at school - so they mingle without social distancing five days a week, but it's illegal to meet together at the weekend...

On the news last night a similar comment was heard when interviewing people the police were "talking to" - that particular mother observed that if they got in their cars and drove 15 minutes in to Wales there would be no problem....

In other news Europe is developing a joined up approach on border controls... just saying if they can manage such a feat how come our United Kingdom can't?

RVThompson  
#14 Posted : 16 September 2020 10:26:05(UTC)
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RVThompson

Maybe the originator is a fan of the main character of a 1960’s TV show?

peter gotch  
#15 Posted : 16 September 2020 14:51:14(UTC)
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peter gotch

...and possibly also saw the episodes where that main character popped across the Pond to appear on Columbo, which might help explain why the shooting party exemptions are in place.

CptBeaky  
#16 Posted : 17 September 2020 10:07:36(UTC)
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CptBeaky

Had to push past a dozen kids last night to get into a park to walk the dog. I pointed out there was more than 6 of them, and they should disperse. I was, as expected, sworn at and told

"We are all in class together, so what's the problem?"

I pointed out it obviously wasn't a maths class and kept walking....

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biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC)
Gerry Knowles  
#17 Posted : 17 September 2020 10:16:46(UTC)
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Gerry Knowles

Clearly we have all failed to remember where the rule of six came from, on Sesame Street "6" was always the magic number.  So now we all know what they watch in Ministry of Health!!!!

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biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#18 Posted : 17 September 2020 11:16:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Now I remember where I have seen Cummings face - peeping out of a trash can.

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biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC), biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC)
Roundtuit  
#19 Posted : 17 September 2020 11:16:28(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Now I remember where I have seen Cummings face - peeping out of a trash can.

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biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC), biker1 on 17/09/2020(UTC)
Hsquared14  
#20 Posted : 17 September 2020 15:47:32(UTC)
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Hsquared14

Originally Posted by: chris.packham Go to Quoted Post

What is so 'magic' about the number 6 anyway? Why not nine, or twelve? Presumably the Government have established (scientifically of course) that COVID-19 can count and will only cause transmission of itself if it can identify more than 6 persons in a group.  Could it be that the person who decided on six could not count further?  Or have I become cynical in my old age?68BK

Fully agree - it's all starting to look a bit arbitrary.  Wish someone could or would explain why you can go to the pub but can't support your partner during childbirth.  In this case why can the kids be in class together but not go to a birthday party with the same kids!!

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webstar on 18/09/2020(UTC)
biker1  
#21 Posted : 17 September 2020 16:27:39(UTC)
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biker1

It's all basically a publicity gimmick, like a lot of things this inept government does. There are so many inconsistencies in this 'rule' that it is virtually useless (a bit like the PM, come to think of it).

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webstar on 18/09/2020(UTC), CptBeaky on 18/09/2020(UTC)
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