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6337sean  
#1 Posted : 31 July 2024 10:55:14(UTC)
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6337sean

Hi all,

With regards to the following job titles: Health & Safety Co-ordinator, Health & Safety Officer, Health & Safety Manager. - What is the difference in terms of status within the industry, culprability/liability, roles. 

It would be an interesting discussion

Roundtuit  
#2 Posted : 31 July 2024 11:20:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As the titles are decided by the employer primarily to set a level of remuneration they are willing to pay and not decreed by state regulation who carries what liability is a mute point.

Legislation is written to identify the employer or body corporate as having the duties i.e. liabilities.

Arrangements within an organisation are not dictated by statute but left to the organisations determination.

As to status again a moveable feast - would an H&S Director of a family firm be on a par with the H&S Director of a global corporation? Similarly in one sector or industry an H&S co-ordinator may carry more managerial clout than an actual H&S Manager in another sector or industry.

So long as the pay and conditions are right a title has little bearing.

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Roundtuit  
#3 Posted : 31 July 2024 11:20:22(UTC)
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Roundtuit

As the titles are decided by the employer primarily to set a level of remuneration they are willing to pay and not decreed by state regulation who carries what liability is a mute point.

Legislation is written to identify the employer or body corporate as having the duties i.e. liabilities.

Arrangements within an organisation are not dictated by statute but left to the organisations determination.

As to status again a moveable feast - would an H&S Director of a family firm be on a par with the H&S Director of a global corporation? Similarly in one sector or industry an H&S co-ordinator may carry more managerial clout than an actual H&S Manager in another sector or industry.

So long as the pay and conditions are right a title has little bearing.

thanks 6 users thanked Roundtuit for this useful post.
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Audrey Wetmore  
#4 Posted : 03 September 2024 07:52:00(UTC)
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Audrey Wetmore

Health titles focus on wellness and disease prevention (e.g., Health Coordinator), while safety titles deal with preventing accidents and managing risks (e.g., Safety Manager). Both aim to protect individuals but from different angles.

xh@DGsxvc24  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2024 09:03:34(UTC)
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xh@DGsxvc24

The distinctions between Health & Safety (H&S) Coordinator, Officer, and Manager roles can vary depending on the organization, but there are general differences in terms of status, culpability/liability, and roles within the industry

Haryson A.Chefor  
#6 Posted : 22 September 2024 05:46:42(UTC)
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Haryson A.Chefor

It depends on the industry and sometimes the organisation, it depends on what the HR manager decides to put on the job posting, HSE officer, inspector, coordinator etc.

KaranIOSH  
#7 Posted : 22 September 2024 11:45:19(UTC)
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KaranIOSH

Hello Sean

* The Coordinator role is focused on support and administration. (Entry to Mid Level Position)

*The Officer enforces safety protocols on the ground. (Mid Level Position)

*The Safety Manager oversees and leads the safety strategy within the company (Senior Position)

Kate  
#8 Posted : 22 September 2024 15:14:06(UTC)
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Kate

In my experience, those positions are not at all necessarily as Karan characterises them, but can vary widely.

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peter gotch  
#9 Posted : 22 September 2024 15:29:24(UTC)
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peter gotch

Sean - these and other titles mean different things in different organisations.

When I joined my last employer, we created the role of Office Health and Safety Coordinator a title that changed to Fixed Establishment Health and Safety Co-ordinator when we found ourselves running some laboratories and a training centre.

We didn't define any person specification whatsoever, other than that the person had to be interested in helping looking after themselves and their colleagues. The role was an add-on to their normal day job.

Some of our locations picked senior managers, some very junior staff. 

A more common debate than the one you have presented might be the relative influence or whatever between titles such as Officer, Manager, Director, Adviser and whether the more senior the title SOUNDS, the more likely it is that line managers think that it is up to the Safety Bod and not themselves to own H&S.

Edited by user 22 September 2024 15:31:05(UTC)  | Reason: Fingers out of sync with brain

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A Kurdziel  
#10 Posted : 23 September 2024 14:45:08(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

The titles are  entirely meaningless- they are typically legacy of the organisation. So the military and civil service go on about H&S officers who in the past were people dealing with H&S as a sideline to their main job but now are more likely to be fully time H&S. As those organisations have been privatised etc. then the title has moved over into other sectors.  H&S directors are people who sit on boards and advise on H&S strategy ( and other stuff) but might have no responsibility for day to H&S. A H&S coordinator might be a senior person who coordinates  H&S across multiple sites or even countries or they might be an officer junior that collects the risk assessments which other people write and files them somewhere safe.

I am a H&S adviser cos I advise people but really would like to be a H&S guru ( or pundit) who explains in great detail what people should be doing but has  no managerial responsibility. Never happen of course!

 

Kate  
#11 Posted : 24 September 2024 14:38:06(UTC)
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Kate

The latest trend is H&S Business Partner, following in the steps of HR and a few other professions.

Roundtuit  
#12 Posted : 24 September 2024 14:52:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In my organisation "Business Partner" is a pseudonym for external consulant - someone conducting the task whilst not directly on the books..

Roundtuit  
#13 Posted : 24 September 2024 14:52:05(UTC)
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Roundtuit

In my organisation "Business Partner" is a pseudonym for external consulant - someone conducting the task whilst not directly on the books..

Kate  
#14 Posted : 24 September 2024 16:35:49(UTC)
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Kate

Indeed and I worked somewhere where HR and Finance went by "Business Partner" but so did other businesses that also operated on the company's site with their own commercial areas.  Confusing - just a bit!

A Kurdziel  
#15 Posted : 25 September 2024 09:16:00(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

Where I work the “business partner” is a representative of a department who are attached to another unit eg the HR person attached to a university faculty. Their main job seems to be explain why the ( computer, policy or AI-please choose)  says you can’t do what you really need to do!

I do not want to be a H&S business partner.

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