Rank: New forum user 
|
Hi, Can anyone recommend any documents for use use internationally that follow the principles of HSG65 but are not UK based please? I know HSG65 can be applied internationally, but I am looking for other international sources to compliment it. Many thanks, Amanda
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user 
|
HSG65 was a few years ago brought into line with ISO 45001 (in so far as it took on the plan-do-check-act model) which is the most recognised international H&S standard of all.
So I would say ISO 45001.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I had a look at the ILO website but could not find anything that parallels HSG 65. The basic plan do check act framework is of course described in ISO 40001. According to Wikipedia ISO 450001 is derived from a number of sources including “… conventions and guidelines of the ILO…“ but the links back the ILO are long gone.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: New forum user
|
Thanks for the tips on ISO 45001. Unfortunately it is subject to a fee to access (as many standards are) so I was looking for something that was free to access. I have just found a document updated in 2009 from the ILO: wcms_107727.pdf but other sources would be helpful please.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
The comparison: - HSG 65: A framework for managing workplace health and safety, following a Plan, Do, Check, Act (PDCA) approach.
- ISO 45001 (International Standard): A globally recognized standard that also follows the PDCA model but provides a certifiable occupational health and safety management system.
Other Regional Equivalents: - OHSAS 18001 (Predecessor to ISO 45001, now mostly replaced)
- ANSI/ASSP Z10 (USA)
- CSA Z1000 (Canada)
- ILO-OSH 2001 (International Labour Organization Guidelines)
If you need a system that aligns with HSG 65 but works internationally, ISO 45001 is the best equivalent.as already mentoned...
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
YouTube has got lots of little videos that explain sections of ISO 45001, probably enough to be able to use it as a framework without buying the standard.
|
 1 user thanked Kate for this useful post.
|
|
|
|
Rank: New forum user
|
Many thanks for all your comments, that is very helpful.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Hi Amanda If you have ISO 9001, then to be honest you already have the key elements of ISO 45001 and could probably use all the free stuff that is available about 45001 to work out the missing pieces. However, it would take time to work out what those missing pieces might be and there is a £££ cost that you could calculate for that time. Probably cheaper to bite the bullet and pay £234 for the real thing. (Half that price if you have a BSI Memberhip). Depending on the business it might be that your organisation subscribes to some standards service and may already have access to 45001.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Originally Posted by: A Kurdziel  I had a look at the ILO website but could not find anything that parallels HSG 65. The basic plan do check act framework is of course described in ISO 45001. According to Wikipedia ISO 450001 is derived from a number of sources including “… conventions and guidelines of the ILO…“ but the links back the ILO are long gone.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
Amanda, I am unsure if you are aware of the old HSG65 format before PCDA took over. I am old school and really liked the POPiMaR management system format, which I still use today. There are a lot of tried and tested stuff in the old version, like human factors, systematic approaches, supervision/competence, key auditing requirements, risk assessment and estimation, accident investigation, accident and incident frequency rates, accident ratio studies and much more. Most of these have been removed in the new version. You can find version 2 online for download at Successful health and safety management HSG65
Hope this helps.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
I loved POPIMAR but then they jumped onto Plan Do Act, I have never understood what ‘Act’ meant. It could mean ‘Audit’ and should mean ‘Review’ but the change is cosmetic. I also hated the subdue pastels palate they used in the ‘improved’ HSG65. It’s nice as opposed to meaningful. As people have said the management framework is essentially the same. The ISO standard is divided up to make it easier for an external party to audit and score your processes. If you don’t want to be audited externally you could use HSG65. Why the resistance to a UK document which is only guidance (that’s what the ‘G’ in HSG stands for!). it’s quite common for non-UK businesses to use UK guidance and standards.
|
2 users thanked A Kurdziel for this useful post.
|
|
|
|
Rank: Super forum user
|
It's Plan, Do, Check, Act. Audit is one part of Check; Act is the preventative, corrective, and improvement actions that you take as a result of Check. It's often confused with Do because outside ISO speak the words are synonymous; the difference is that Do is actions taken as a result of Plan.
|
|
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.