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Messey  
#1 Posted : 25 February 2025 23:21:57(UTC)
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Messey

I have created a fire risk review for a museum which will be trialling a sleepover, where youth groups (scouts, guides etc) attend organised events during the evening then sleep on the floor amongst the exhibits. in my day, we camped in muddy fields and had an open air ensuite steel bucket for 25 of us to aim at. But not any more. It seems they expect an air conditioned space with double glazing and flushing loos and not a tent in sight!

 To be honest, it really is a good idea to get kids interested. I have been asked to help on the night, but I cannot assist as I am washing my hair  ;) 

I am relatively satisfied to have captured the necessary fire safety management and infrastructure issues and I will be preparing safety briefings for staff, volunteers and those responsible for leading groups.  But one thing bugs me - what sort of things might kids bring with them that might cause a fire safety issue?

Kids will be permitted mobile phones (as they will want to take photos and the museum wants social media coverage for marketing reasons). Devices such as  iPads or laptops will not be permitted. Electronic games will not bellowed and the most controversial control measure will be,  phone charging will not be allowed - except for group leaders where staff will take them away from the museum floor for charging. No vapes and obviously no smoking materials or alcohol are permitted on site.

So what have I missed? The museum has very little control about what is bought in inside the back packs and sleeping bags, so is there likely to be a surprise I havent considered?

Has anyone been to such an event? 

I am sure the kids will be incredibly well behaved at all times - but I must plan for the most feral yobs intent on creating a problem. 

grim72  
#2 Posted : 26 February 2025 09:09:01(UTC)
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grim72

Not so much a fire safety concern but has food and drink been covered? Just thinking about bottles of pop being spilled where they could damage exhibits? 

One thing I would suggest regarding the lack of charging for phones is that this may well encourage charging packs/batteries to be brought in their backpacks if they know they can't plug into a socket at the venue. This in turn might prove a bigger risk than if they were allowed "monitored" charging at a socket?

Sounds like great fun though and will be a fantastic experience that I'm sure they will look back on with fond memories in the years to come. I attended an award ceremony in a museum years ago, and walking through the place in the peace and quiet of an almost deserted musuem, alongside dinosaur skeletons etc was amazing.

Hope all goes well and incident free. Just make sure none of them have tins of soup or bags of orange powder in their bags :-) 

A Kurdziel  
#3 Posted : 26 February 2025 09:18:17(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

This is a tricky question. You can never tell how a randomly chosen group of young people might behave. Usually they are ok but sometimes …. Once we had a group of wannabee lawyers that is people who you would think would were responsible and a bit dull. We let them loose in a forensics lab where there behaviour was awful and they were rude to staff who were trying to stop them from hurting themselves. Their host described them as feral.

One issue is what do you do if it is decided that the young people have gone too far. You might want to send them home, but this is the middle the night and their parents/guardians are probably in bed. So you are stuck with them until the next day!

toe  
#4 Posted : 26 February 2025 11:21:10(UTC)
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toe

Messey, some years ago, I dropped my teenage daughter off at the Scouts Hall (it was a Guides overnight thing, not Scouts), whereas around 30 Guides would be on the floor in sleeping bags having a singsong sleepover.

I duly signed the disclaimer form and proceeded to leave, where I noted the Guide Leader unloading a bag full of Tea-light candles. Curious, I asked what they were for, and she explained that to keep the campsite-style traditional theme, they would all be toasting marshmallows with wooden sticks over the candles, and with the lights out in the hall, the candles would give the impression of an outdoor campfire.

So, with the lights out and when the girls are in their flammable sleeping bags, you'll light lots of candles around them to toast marshmallows!

I was forever known as the party pooper – jobs worth, that cancelled the indoor campfire experience that night. PS, I also got them to remove the chairs stacked up across the fire exit in the hall.

firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 26 February 2025 11:41:35(UTC)
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firesafety101

Hi Messey, have you considered informing the FRS of the numbers involved, despite all your fire prevention you never know.

You could organise a film show for them, A Night at the Museum springs to mind ha ha.

I was going to suggest Power Banks could be allowed for charging mobiles, will there be a Leader awake through the night.

Small battery Tea Lights would be acceptable if necessary for the atmospheric situation.

Why don't they use tents for the experience.

I hope everything goes well, good luck.

Ian Bell2  
#6 Posted : 26 February 2025 14:24:20(UTC)
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Ian Bell2

I would anticipate alcohol intake....bottles of water, replaced with vodka..

Guess it depends on the age group - 15+ it might be a problem.

DOn't tell me you never did it, smuggled in some happy juice to such an event in your youth

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