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Jonny95  
#1 Posted : 25 March 2025 13:21:07(UTC)
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Jonny95

I'm currently dealing with something where an operative was moving a table on wheels, and the injured party’s thumb got trapped between the table and a wall. Thankfully, the injury was minor.

The accident pack was completed properly—root cause analysis, preventative actions, manual handling review, and a slight revision to the assessment.

Despite the operative having received both initial by myself and refresher manual handling training via a third-party online provider, I now find myself in the firing line—thanks to a no-win, no-fee solicitor getting involved. 

Apparently, because we didn’t have a specific risk assessment for "tables on wheels," that’s now seen as a gap, even though it falls under our general manual handling controls.

I try to stay proactive, but this has left me feeling like it’s all a bit wasted at times. Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

I’ve moved away from item-specific manual handling assessments (e.g. 1kg pot, 2kg pot) and now use a more generic assessment that focuses on safe lifting principles. Obviously, mechanical aids and equipment have their own risk assessments—but is this not enough anymore?

A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 25 March 2025 14:51:18(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

So are they saying that the lack of suitable and sufficient risk assessment was the cause of the injury or are the claimants lawyers just throwing bu****it in the hope that it sticks? A mature approach to H&S realises that  risk assessments are only part of   the necessary H&S systems. Using James Reasons  Swiss Cheese model it makes up just one slice. The other slices would be the competence of the employee( that’s not just the training it’s answering the question –“are they able to do their job safely?”) . what about the persons manager?  had they provided the necessary support and lastly the culture? Were they in a rush?  What was management doing when not looking for scapegoats for their inadequacies.   In most cases this is sorted out of  court and people move on. Is there any reason why you as the H&S bod are in the firing line apart from generic management inadequacy? 

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peter gotch on 25/03/2025(UTC)
Jonny95  
#3 Posted : 25 March 2025 15:09:05(UTC)
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Jonny95

I think it’s a bit of both, to be honest. Apparently, the manual handling risk assessment and training don’t go far enough because I didn’t specifically mention how to push or pull a table, so they’re saying that’s a gap in the system. That’s the line defence is taking anyway, but I’m not sure where that ends or the line anymore of insignificant risks, or what's precived as insignificant and may no longer be the case? 

I’m still in the earlier stages of my H&S career, but I’ve felt confident in my approach so far - keeping things practical, sensible, and user-friendly. That said, you’ve made a really good point, it’s got me thinking. where  are the operational management team in all of this? Maybe I’ve taken it a bit personally.

thunderchild  
#4 Posted : 25 March 2025 15:46:27(UTC)
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thunderchild

I think you have taken this personally and its not hard to do.

I am like you and go with a generic manual handling RA otherwise you could have hundreds of them that no one will read anyway. 

Its the abulance chaser mentality of the claimants solicitor. Don't take it to heart, they are all a$$holes and its never their clients fault.

We've all been there.

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peter gotch on 25/03/2025(UTC)
peter gotch  
#5 Posted : 25 March 2025 16:59:01(UTC)
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peter gotch

Hi Jonny

As thunderchild says "Don't take it personally".

Fact of life. Accident happens and some people go into hindsight mode and ASSUME that there must be fault and if a claim is being made that means that the employer (or other defendant) is to blame.

You (the corporate YOU) might wish to start by looking at who the solicitor is.

Are they a No Win, No Claims company? If so, they won't continue very long if you say NO and they haven't got a strong case.

If one of the legal firms that deal with these things on a repeated basis e.g. the solicitors that are taken on by Trades Unions time after time, then they may well have a strong case. 

However, on the basis of the narrative you give, it doesn't really sound like it.

Remember 1. that the duty is to do what is "reasonably practicable".

2. The OBJECTIVE of a risk assessment is to identify what is to be done to achieve the goal, almost always doing what is reasonably practicable.

For reasons you have already set out attempting to risk assessment each and every task of a similar nature would be counterproductive as well as being immensely resource intensive.

Take a deep breath and consider the defences, based on what a reasonable person would have thought BEFORE the accident. The words used in the case law on what is reasonably practicable are "anterior to".

Time to do some revision on Edwards v National Coal Board!

....but also the less frequently mentioned Marshall v Gotham.

firesafety101  
#6 Posted : 25 March 2025 17:06:27(UTC)
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firesafety101

Hi Jonny, were you aware the table was to be moved?  If not you can have no blame aimed at you at all.  It was all up to whoever decided the table had to be moved.

Good luck.

Roundtuit  
#7 Posted : 25 March 2025 18:23:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Did they loose any pay as direct consequence of this minor injury? "Pain & Suffering" will be three parts of nothing in any consideration so what does the ambulance chaser think they will be getting?

More importantly does the IP realise that they will see next to nothing once the solicitor takes their cut from any settlement? Unfortunately the IP may now be between a rock and a hard place having agreed to contracted services which will be unlikely to recover solicitor costs.

You have done everything you could.

Make sure all communication is through your insurers - avoid direct dialogue.

Roundtuit  
#8 Posted : 25 March 2025 18:23:46(UTC)
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Roundtuit

Did they loose any pay as direct consequence of this minor injury? "Pain & Suffering" will be three parts of nothing in any consideration so what does the ambulance chaser think they will be getting?

More importantly does the IP realise that they will see next to nothing once the solicitor takes their cut from any settlement? Unfortunately the IP may now be between a rock and a hard place having agreed to contracted services which will be unlikely to recover solicitor costs.

You have done everything you could.

Make sure all communication is through your insurers - avoid direct dialogue.

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