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Hi all, I have been using an external provider to carry out our Fire risk assessments for our higher risk projects which are high rise construction. I am thinking of doing the likes of the NEBOSH fire safety course so that I can do the risk assessments for our lower risk works.
I am hearing changes are coming which will mean all fire risk assessors will need to be thrid party accreditted and if this is the case it is beyond where I want to go with this. Could anyone enlighten me on the changes and if the NEBOSH course or another course would be suitable. Thanks R
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Hi R My crystal ball says that it will only be a matter of time before some elements of rules that are being put in place for defined "high rise" buildings will trickle down to smaller structures whether via legislation or best practice. After all the definition of "high rise" is substantially an arbitrary one based on the capability of fire appliances decades ago. My crystal ball does not tell me whether or not accreditation will become mandatory for higher or lower risk premises, not least since defining the level of risk is dependent not only on the number and height of the storeys, but other variables. However, my crystal ball does say that those who do fire risk assessments will be more in the spotlight than in the past and that will not be limited to those doing FRAs for defined "high rise" structures. No harm in doing a fire qualification, though not necessarily the NEBOSH one, but going forward people will be looking at how much expertise FRA people have in terms of structural and fire engineering and, where more relevant, process safety issues. If nothing else gaining a fire qualification might make you better placed to consider whether your external fire risk assessors are up to the mark. Ditto whether their FRAs are worth the paper they are printed on. You might not be able to identify some of the issues but you would be more likely to pick up the more glaring errors. I would like to be able to say that I think that there will be a fair few prosecutions of individuals who have done FRAs that are not up to scratch but that's not actually likely due to resourcing constraints within those responsible for regulation.
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The Government has accepted all of the recommendations of the final Grenfell report. One of these was mandatory accreditation of fire risk assessors. So some kind of scheme will presumably be introduced at some point, although no one knows when or what it will cover. Meanwhile there are existing schemes such as BAFE to which any new scheme is likely to bear a resemblance. So you could look into what BAFE and others require of the fire risk assessors in their scheme.
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In my mind FRA during construction is a whole different ball game to the completed building. I have done hundreds of such fra's and found everyone different, obviously due to the continuing construction. There are many different accreditation companies, NEBOSH fire cert will open a door into one of them, whichever you choose. There are always some hoops to jump through but most if not all require evidence of previous, recent, fire risk assessments. They all require a fee £££
I was always amused by some of the "failings" when I came across hazards that had not been risk asessed for example I went up onto a mezzanine where floor boards had been removed to allow access for electricians. There were lots of holes a man could fall through and while up there I was talking with the Project Manager and asked him what we would do if the lights went out. Then guess what? The lights went out haha. Proved my point. Assessing a high rise uder construction should be very interesting as each floor will probably be in a different stage of construction so the risks may not be the same on all floors. You have to keep your wits about you as all hazards may not be made safe. I think they are all as good as each other as long as they are recognised by whoever makes the rules
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Originally Posted by: Kate  The Government has accepted all of the recommendations of the final Grenfell report. One of these was mandatory accreditation of fire risk assessors. So some kind of scheme will presumably be introduced at some point, although no one knows when or what it will cover.
Having had the pleasure of many discussions to one of the architects of the Fire Safety Order 2005 who says the lack of the requirement was in line Govt of the day's aim of not placing unnecessary burden on industry.
So a married couple who run a low risk newsagent could use the FS Guides and do it themselves , while larger risks would seek competent help. I really do hope the spirit of that strategy remains to allow low risk SME's to avoid disproportionately expensive fire consultants
Maybe a move back to the criteria that required a Fire Certificate under the FP Act 1971 would be the way to go.
Ideally where there is sleeping risk within the remit of the FRA, then a competent person must carry out the FRA. This would include where there is sleeping risk in the vicinity - aka above in the case of a shop To require a competent person - especially an accredited one - for all FRAs is unnecessary but is where I can see this going
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